NORTH-EAST MUM SEEKS £320,000 FROM DRIVER WHO HIT DAUGHTER

School bus campaigner sues over girl’s death

By Stephen Christie and Shona Gossip

Published: 29/07/2010

A road safety campaigner whose teenage daughter was killed after stepping off a school bus is suing the driver of the car which killed her.

Carla Oldham claims justice has never been done for 15-year-old Robyn, who was hit by a car being driven by Gillian Ancell on the A947 Banff to Aberdeen road.

She claimed initially yesterday that the damages she is seeking would not be enough to buy a second hand car – but the Press and Journal has learned the amount is £325,000.

Mrs Oldham insisted last night that the case was not about money, but was aimed at getting Mrs Ancell to accept that she was partly to blame for Robyn’s death.

But Mrs Ancell accused her of looking for “revenge” and said that dragging the dead teenager’s name through the courts was “disrespectful”.

She added that she had contemplated suicide after the accident.

Mrs Ancell was driving a Mercedes near the Oldhams’ former family home at Birkenhills Farm House, Turriff, when the accident happened on September 4, 2008.

Mrs Oldham said: “It still absolutely mystifies me how she managed to hit Robyn.

“Gillian Ancell saw Robyn down the road, saw her wave at somebody on the bus and knew she was about to cross the road, yet she failed to stop.

“How does that happen?”

Mrs Ancell faced no charges over the accident.

Since her daughter’s death, Mrs Oldham, who still lives near Turriff, has campaigned to make it illegal for vehicles to overtake stationary school buses.

She hoped a fatal accident inquiry held earlier this year would help bring about those changes.

After the two-day court hearing, however, the sheriff who oversaw it made no recommendations.

Mrs Ancell told the inquiry she had been driving at the speed limit of 50mph and did not realise it was a school bus she was passing. Robyn ran out in front of her with her back to her, she said.

Mrs Oldham said: “I’m not trying to become some bitter parent. I just want the truth and I just want to see justice done. I feel I’ve never really received that.”

She added: “They could pay out £25million as far as I’m concerned and it would make no difference – no amount of money can bring back Robyn.

“I feel there should be some acceptance or acknowledgement on Gillian Ancell’s part. It’s partly her fault, after all.”

Mrs Oldham said the family had had to move away from Birkenhills Farm House, near Turriff, as every time she saw the stretch of the A947 Banff-Aberdeen road where the accident happened she “would picture Robyn lying there”.

Mrs Ancell, 55, of Kestrel Road, Newburgh, said last night she had no knowledge of the lawsuit but she and her husband Peter, 49, had discussed what they would do if Mrs Oldham raised an action.

She said: “We don’t want to, but we said in the end that we would counter-sue her.

“To me, she is still a very grieving mother who wants to hit out at me because the law was on my side.

“If the sheriff had thought I caused the accident and killed her daughter, the courts would have prosecuted me. She didn’t get what she wanted at the court so revenge is the next thing for her.”

Mrs Ancell added: “The last thing I thought Mrs Oldham would have wanted to do is keep dragging this through courts, because all she’s doing now is hurting herself.

“It won’t change the fact that Robyn is no longer here. Nothing will bring her back. Me suing her, or her suing me, will only drag the memory of Robyn through the courts and that’s disrespectful.”

The former care assistant, who now works as a domestic supervisor for the NHS, said the accident had turned her life “upside down” and she had suffered from depression and vivid flashbacks since it happened.

Mrs Ancell said: “Without my family through all this, I would not be here. When I found out Robyn had died, I just didn’t want to live. I just kept asking why it couldn’t have happened to me, especially when I found out Robyn was only 15 – it’s so unfair.

“I couldn’t go to work. I was in a right state and I was depressed. I had the most colourful flashbacks both when my eyes were open and shut.

“I smile, I laugh and I joke but Robyn Oldham is always there, and her mother. She’s never out of my prayers, ever.”

In his ruling after the fatal accident inquiry at Banff Sheriff Court, Sheriff Gordon Fleetwood concluded that, on the evidence he had heard, he was not persuaded a change in the law could be recommended.

Mrs Oldham claimed the sheriff had “missed a chance” to make Scotland’s roads safer.

Her personal injury claim has been raised at the Court of Session in Edinburgh by lawyers Digby Brown. It seeks damages totalling £320,000 for Mrs Oldham and her family.

Reader's Comments

Mrs Oldham must realise that dragging this out is only prolonging the agony which no parent would want - therefore this only leads me to conclude she is using her daughters death for financial gain - and a substantial gain at that! This has been a tragic situation and one which was replicated in Lonmay however that poor boys parents have remained dignifed and respectful in their responses - I think Mrs Oldham should learn a lesson from them!
Pamela Barclay
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I am in complete agreement with the above. As much as I have sympathy for their loss it annoys me that years later, there are still Teddies, flowers etc. at the accident spot...this invites distraction for drivers, if someone dies over it then I hope they sue Mrs. Oldham.
John Innes
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I am in complete agreement with the above. As much as I have sympathy for their loss it annoys me that years later, there are still Teddies, flowers etc. at the accident spot...this invites distraction for drivers, if someone dies over it then I hope they sue Mrs. Oldham.
John Innes
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It occurs to me that at age 15 I was capable of crossing a road unsupervised, taking care to look each way before crossing. If Robyn was unable to do so, then perhaps someone should have met her from the bus to escort her across the road safely? I had to admit that I do not come to a halt on the road any time I see a person at the side of the road just incase they decide to cross. Do any of us?
M Torrance
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I agree with all above, the public should wait till the bus moves off before crossing, its not the drivers fault, she has to live with that, she is living a life sentence,
linda gordon
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yet again I find myself having nothing in common with the rest of the human race. how dare this women be angry that a car hit her daughter at 50 miles an hour. How dare those that loved her put up a shrine, and yes if there is activity at the side of a road I would slow down from 50 miles an hour to between 20-30 until I could access the danger.
Woody from Inverness
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yet again I find myself having nothing in common with the rest of the human race. how dare this women be angry that a car hit her daughter at 50 miles an hour. How dare those that loved her put up a shrine, and yes if there is activity at the side of a road I would slow down from 50 miles an hour to between 20-30 until I could access the danger.
Woody from Inverness
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I have to agree with M Torrance. While the girls death was unfortuneate and a devastating blow to the family, we have all seen children step into traffic without thought. Dragging the matter through the civil courts will just cause more grief to all concerned.
Ron Campbell
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yet again I find myself having nothing in common with the rest of the human race. how dare this women be angry that a car hit her daughter at 50 miles an hour. How dare those that loved her put up a shrine, and yes if there is activity at the side of a road I would slow down from 50 miles an hour to between 20-30 until I could access the danger.
Woody from Inverness
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I must say that I am disgusted by this story. We lost a child some years ago in dreadful circumstances but we never ever have thought about suing and hence profiting from his death.
Dave McGregor
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Even after the death of this poor girl and other school children in the past, car drivers have still not taken heed to slow right down when approaching buses.They don't even slow down when in a 20 mile zone near schools. I had a joker (female driver) overtake me at a zebra crossing just beside a school in Blackburn because I chose to stick to the legal speed limit of 20 Car drivers need to remember that pedestrians are far more vulnerable and should respect this....
Lord Lucan
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Mrs Oldham, if it isnt about the money, then please let everyone know that you will donate it ALL to charity...... Nobody can take away the grief that you may still be feeling, and I can understand why you would want someone to blame. However, the amounts in question just make it look as if you are out to gain money, and your interviews with the paper just underline your willingness to play up to the publicity. Announce that you will donate it to charity now and you will at least keep your dignity.
Richard Hall
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It’s so easy to sit at home & anonymously write & pontificate on a subject you have little knowledge of; it’s a press report, that are never 100% accurate. People have to make their own decisions in life, Carla is doing so. All these comments from people who in most instances have no idea about losing a child, nor in fact the situation in reality, but simply focus on the financial side of things, as if it’s the be & end of everything.. The main reason there was no court case as such was the lack of brake marks, so the speed could not be accurately measured, 50 mph was the assumed speed. Take away this assumed sum of money, as that is what it is. There is in fact a set sum for the loss of a child in Scotland, not the sum quoted & it will never bring back Robyn. Then as a parent or Grand Parent place your self in her position & those of others & use some human compassion. Think about the loss of school pupils lives, is that not a better idea. Think about a driver who could not see a school pupil in the middle of the road & then not even recognise it as a school bus? About a pupil who had totally crossed the road & then was run down, think about a then 8 year old knocked down a foot from safety, yet left wheel chair bound. Then think about the recent school bus crashes with the loss of life Think about the 105.000 school pupils who have lost their lives or been injured since leaving a school bus since 1981. The reason Carla continues to fight, & yes I know her well, is to try to improve school bus safety, so others are not placed in the same situation. Is this not worthy of your compassion as a human being. Ron Beaty
ron beaty
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It’s so easy to sit at home & anonymously write & pontificate on a subject you have little knowledge of; it’s a press report, that are never 100% accurate. People have to make their own decisions in life, Carla is doing so. All these comments from people who in most instances have no idea about losing a child, nor in fact the situation in reality, but simply focus on the financial side of things, as if it’s the be & end of everything.. The main reason there was no court case as such was the lack of brake marks, so the speed could not be accurately measured, 50 mph was the assumed speed. Take away this assumed sum of money, as that is what it is. There is in fact a set sum for the loss of a child in Scotland, not the sum quoted & it will never bring back Robyn. Then as a parent or Grand Parent place your self in her position & those of others & use some human compassion. Think about the loss of school pupils lives, is that not a better idea. Think about a driver who could not see a school pupil in the middle of the road & then not even recognise it as a school bus? About a pupil who had totally crossed the road & then was run down, think about a then 8 year old knocked down a foot from safety, yet left wheel chair bound. Then think about the recent school bus crashes with the loss of life Think about the 105.000 school pupils who have lost their lives or been injured since leaving a school bus since 1981. The reason Carla continues to fight, & yes I know her well, is to try to improve school bus safety, so others are not placed in the same situation. Is this not worthy of your compassion as a human being. Ron Beaty
ron beaty
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Mr Hall..How do you know it is not ? Again people assume, without knowing the person her intentions or the circumstances involved. As regards> and your interviews with the paper just underline your willingness to play up to the publicity....Carla actually made a safety DVD not long after Robyns death, why!! to try to bring home the safety message to school children, that took tremedous courage from her..Why should anyone keep quite, she is trying to change things for others..Regarding your statement> Announce that you will donate it to charity now and you will at least keep your dignity. I find that , to say the least crass...You have no idea what she thinks, as regards her dignity, she has that in abundance, probably more than many others writing here.Its easy to judge without having the full facts Ron Beaty
ron beaty
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Ron Beaty its obvious which side of the fence you are on but more people than you think have experience of losing a child in tragic circumstances. I certainly do; and I think what Mrs Oldham is doing is quite disgusting and taints the memory of her lost child. Unless of course she comes out and says that she is giving the entire amount of money won to a charity. Will she do that?
Dave McGregor
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I don't live too far away from this accident site, and I know that when driving past I do tend to look at the flowers still being put there, yes it's a distraction, but what I mostly notice is that how many there are along this stretch of road as further along towards Turriff is where 3 people died and not too far from that is yet another accident place where another 3 died and just across from that accident is another site where 3 more people died, so to me this is where so far 10 people have lost their lives, it's not the road that is faulty but the human error that has occurred. If I remember correctly these accidents have all happened in the last 5/6 years, and there has been others within a 10 mile radius which have resulted in deaths, since moving into the area 10 years ago we have noticed that there is a high death toll rate and mostly it’s due to speeding and careless driving mainly with the youngsters which they ignore with a shrug of the shoulders. In particular there was one young driver which we stopped a week before he killed himself and a passenger and pleaded with him to slow down; he would race down our lane at a break neck speed with his friend that caused us all to feel very anxious when turning onto the lane where we lived in case we met either of them, twice he nearly had me and I begged him to cut back his speed, but he never took any notice, I know of at least 8 others who complained about the two drivers, plus we would see them speeding around Turriff knowing it was only a matter of time when something would happen.
anne houareau
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Dave Mcgregor. Of course, I am on the side of common sense & school bus safety. I decided to speak out against the assumptions & remarks of others, who have no or very litle knowledge of the full facts surrounding this case, but are quite prepared to fantasize on the press reports. It’s a pity you were not at the FAI & heard what was said. People are now basing facts on a court case which has not yet taken place, with no verdict & with costs not yet awarded, how can you do this, because a paper says so! I am sadden to learn of a Childs death within your family, as I am about any child’s death, it is something that no one gets over, but tries to live with.. What sadden’s me most is how a motorist can miss a youngster in the middle of the road & does not recognise a school bus for what it is[ which we are trying to change] & have time to blow her horn, yet not have time to stop before hitting Robyn. My own Grand Daughter was a foot from the kerb on her correct side of the road when a careless motorist passed the bus, placing her in a wheel chair & needing 24 hour care for the rest of her life.Thats what careless motorists do, destroy lives. not only of others but sadly also themselves..Of course the sad bit it every one is judged now by those who read news papers ..This is a culture of it’s in the papers & must be true. Am I in fact well aware of many children’s deaths under differing circumstances, & of many court cases for compensation, if they decide to go down this road. again I state its more or less a fixed sum for this & its no where near the quoted figure..Also why would you assume none of this is going to charity? Because no one said so?.Do you judge some one because they do not reply to a column like this. I think yourself & many others over the next few weeks will find this comes back & bites you very hard, which of course comes from basing an argument on assumptions that are wrong. Forget the financial side & the jealousy involved; concentrate on saving lives instead of the pointless scoring of points in a news paper article.Of course we will never know these people who comment here, some possibly might have axes to grind for their own ends & for those they know? Ron Beaty
ron beaty
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A child in our family was lost due to a car accident - claiming money like this woman is doing would just have cheapened his memory - it's as if she is saying this is what my child would have earned for me - i find it disgraceful
Fi Donald
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Of course it's about the money!! First of all, Mrs Oldham said the damages she was seeking, would not be enough to buy a second hand car,,, but the Press and Journal learned it was £320,000. Nuff said. As sad as it is, it all come down to someone paying the price. If it aint about the money, then give away to a Children's Charity!!!
Tony Sherwood
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To Ron Beatty, you are virtually accusing the driver in the accident of being the guilty party, if that were the case then any court in the land would have proved that, instead...NO charges were brought. The poor unfortunate girl did exactly the opposite of what countless T.V. adverts, posters etc. etc advise against and that was to look before she made the fatal move. I don't like the way you infer that every accident is the fault of the motorist, your grandaughter's unfortunate accident has absolutely nothing to do with this particular incident and you would be well advised to consider that !! Your incessant ramblings are only making the case against the !accused" more relevant and justified I'm afraid.
John Innes
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To Ron Beatty, you are virtually accusing the driver in the accident of being the guilty party, if that were the case then any court in the land would have proved that, instead...NO charges were brought. The poor unfortunate girl did exactly the opposite of what countless T.V. adverts, posters etc. etc advise against and that was to look before she made the fatal move. I don't like the way you infer that every accident is the fault of the motorist, your grandaughter's unfortunate accident has absolutely nothing to do with this particular incident and you would be well advised to consider that !! Your incessant ramblings are only making the case against the !accused" more relevant and justified I'm afraid.
John Innes
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To John Innes..No I am stating the facts,” the poor girl “as you state was in the middle of the road, what could be clearer than that, not waiting to cross, that the driver saw her by her own admission, blew her horn, then hit her.! So Robyn did not need to check the road, she already had & was crossing it! One reason no charges were brought was because there were virtually no brake marks, making it impossible for the police to give an accurate speed this is very common possibly when late braking action is taken.So no accurate speed was recorded, regardless of what ever speed the driver was doing, Robyn was crossing the road & on thre road!!!.Birkenhills was in a 60mph limit, now changed to 50,make your own mind up about that, in case you don’t know there is a long stretch where you can see well ahead. The driver did not recognise the bus as being a school bus,also stated in court, why would that be & the schools were out, the highway code tells you to be aware of school children around a school bus Highway Code 205 There is a risk of pedestrians, especially children, stepping unexpectedly into the road. You should drive with the safety of children in mind at a speed suitable for the conditions… 209..Drive carefully and slowly when passing a stationary bus showing a ‘School Bus’ sign (see 'Vehicle markings') as children may be getting on or off.> . I don't like the way you infer that every accident is the fault of the motorist..That may well be but most statistics usually prove otherwise, I agree however that the driver is not always at fault. I cover all school bus accidents, as this one was & my grand daughters, all accidents are relevant to our site. Go to school bus safety group & check the accidents re children getting of the school bus UK wide.Would this not worry you as a trend!! You state in your earlier mail Teddies etc invite distraction for drivers; if someone dies over it then I hope they sue Mrs. Oldham. What a rare streak of compassion I now have to go out & will not reply to any more comments, the subject has been well covered ,often by those who find a need to speak on every subject on the P& J site. To those who state it’s for the money, I have already covered that as in> I think yourself & many others over the next few weeks will find this comes back & bites you very hard, Will you then apologise, will you then feel a glimmer of guilt,I doubt it, you will be to busy writing about something else in what ever paper. I feel really sorry for your next target of vengence.
ron beaty
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Lets face it, we've ALL driven carelessly at some point, sometimes dozens of times in a day. Could Ms Oldham say she had never? Driving carefully is not just about driving at the speed limit, or indeed driving slowly past a school bus. Have you ever done advanced driving? It takes a lot more concentration than you would think. Yes it's easy to criticise when an accident takes place but I feel sorry for Mrs Ancell, to me the story reads like revenge.
Alan Partridge
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I have tremendous sympathy for those involved and the subject is too raw for an unregulated comment board like this. I hope that Mrs Oldham and Mrs Ancell find some piece of mind & I hope that Ron Beaty doesn't totally lose his faith in the human race. I also hope that we all slow down a bit both in the car and when we jump to conclusions.
Woody from Inverness
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Some good debate here, aside from the usual inane, anti-car/anti-driver comments from the pathetically 'named' "Lord Lucan". The bottom line is that drivers, cyclists, pedestrians and horse riders should look out for each other. They are EQUALLY responsible for this. Just because a car can travel faster than a pedestrian doesn't mean that a car driver has less or more responsibility than any other road user. This point often seems to be lost and calls made for the burden of responsibility to be placed on the driver. But this just dodges the issue of responsibility for all and doesn't contribute objectively or constructively to improving road safety. Banning the overtaking of school buses is a bad idea because what happens when a child is in a situation where the law hasn't been changed to make up for the dumbing down of responsibility? Why can't the children wait to cross the road until AFTER the bus has moved off? Or, if not, cross from the rear of the vehicle where they are clearly visible. The accident involving Robyn was obvious tragic for all concerned but I really feel for Mrs Ancell who, despite never being prosecuted, is being unfairly *persecuted* given the facts in the public domain about this case.
Roger Savage
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Below are 2 paragraphs from the inquest In either event I was satisfied that Ms Ancell was left with no time to react so as to avoid a collision. There were no reasonable precautions whereby her death might have been avoided. I have known Gillian for many years and she didn’t go out that day to intentionally kill Robyn or anyone, Gillian is not your boy racer driving up and down your lanes, she’s a normal every day lady who wouldn’t want to hurt anyone or anything, she is absolutely devastated by this tragic accident and her life will never be the same. Being acquitted at the inquest of any wrong doing was not a time to celebrate in Gillian’s life as Gillian has to live with this tragic accident day in day out. No amount of money will bring Robyn back or turn the clock back for Gillian
angela knight
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I cant believe the amount of negative comments appearing on this blog and the unwarranted attackson Carla Oldhams character. Are you aware of the true facts , the correct amount and the pledge for the donation to the Air Ambulance ? How many of the "forked tongues" have met Carla , spoken with her and heard first hand of the grief she feels. Have you any idea on how she feels let down by the authorities after the Fatal Accident Enquiry ? I doubt it very much. All Carla wanted was a fundemental change in legilsation to make our school buses safer for our kids. We are (correctly) encouraged by various temporary speed signs to slow down when workman are working alongside traffic. Yet they have the additional protection of coned zones , hi viz jackets etc...so it makes 100% sense to slow right down when passing any parked vehicle especially in a rural area....and especially when it is a school bus. It makes evem more sense to make it a legal requirement to not overtake that vehicle whilst passengers are disembarking. Ok - you may get delayed all of 60 seconds or so...hardly an inconvenience. And as for Teddies and flowers being a distraction to drivers - wise up - we have a council who is actively gaining funds by putting adverts in the middle of roundabouts - distraction or what ? And whilst i am no way trying to apportion blame or identify the cause of the accident , surely a simple humane reaction would be to apologise for a roadside death such as this ? Mrs Ancells statement to the P& J as printed above is very noticeable by the complete (in my opinion) lack of compassion or regret for what happened. Showing compassion & a formal statement or private letter of apology for Robyns death does not equate to admitting liability - but could go a long way to easing the pain for Carla. To those that spout out that we are all guilty of bad driving - does that make it right ? No of course it doesnt.Any regular rural commuter in Aberdeenshire will be aware of the frequent violators of the Highway Code , not just excessive speed but overtaking on double white lines , failing to stop at zebra crossings , driving across roundabouts as if they dont exist- and lets not lay all the blame on "boy racers" as the school run mums and dads in their BMW's & Mercedes and the white collared office "get me home quick brigade" are every bit as bad as the Corsa or GTI "looms and lassies" but rarely get a mention in the Press - so to try and distance Ms Ancell on the grounds of age and marque of vehicle is hypocritical to the hilt. Try it...sit at the legal limit of 60mph on the A944 and you could be forgivem for thinking you have a faulty speedo as a steady stream of vehicles "leave you standing".....and dangerous corners or blind summits are ignored with regular contempt. Carla has been a stauch supporter of the Road Safety Initiative "First Drive" Project at Grampian Transport Museum - couple this with her admiration for the Air Ambulance and her general commitment (with others) to make school buses safer for all our kids and you get a truer picture of "Mrs Oldham" So rather that take cheap jibes at Carla and personal digs at Ron Beaty and his family - channel your energy into doing something positive for road safety just like Carla & Ron etc have done.
crawford hendy
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