Wood predicts bleak future unless £1bn plans go ahead

By Ryan Crighton and Ross Davidson

Published: 09/10/2010

Aberdeen businessman Sir Ian Wood has warned of a bleak future for the north-east if the region fails to embrace the near £1billion investment represented by his Union Terrace Gardens plan and Donald Trump’s golf resort.

US billionaire Mr Trump received an honorary doctorate at Robert Gordon University (RGU) in Aberdeen yesterday in recognition of his business acumen and his plans to build a £750million golf resort at the Menie Estate in Aberdeenshire.

He said it was “a great honour” to receive the degree, which he plans to have framed and put on the wall of his office at Trump Tower in New York.

Speaking after the ceremony, RGU chancellor Sir Ian said Mr Trump’s decision to invest so much money in the north-east was both “brave and welcome”.

Like Mr Trump, the Wood Group chairman has divided public opinion over his £140million city gardens project in Aberdeen, which would involve building a street-level square over Union Terrace Gardens, the Denburn dual carriageway and the railway line.

However, he said unpopular decisions had to be made to ensure the region had a future once North Sea oil ran out – or the area would be left with “no jobs and no young people”.

“We can’t not do things because they are going to be controversial,” he said.

“The world advances with people doing significant things and almost every major advance of any kind in the world has been controversial.

“I think there is perhaps a failure to realise in the north-east of Scotland just how big a challenge we face.

“A lot of the current generation have never known this area before oil and we are very dependent on one industry.

“It is not a good comparison, but Dundee fell flat on its face when jute died.

“Now we have a huge challenge. I think the Trump golf resort is one of a number of potential developments which will bridge the gap.

“I also believe the redevelopment and transformation of Aberdeen city centre is another of the building blocks which will help attract new industries. We are going to have to be competitive to win new industries.

“Otherwise, we are going to have a lot of heritage, but no jobs and no young people.

“It might seem a bit black and white but that is my prime driving force, both for Union Terrace Gardens and why I think the golf development is the right thing to do.”

Sir Ian added: “I’m not going to be here but some of you guys are and, if we don’t get it right, your kids will have to get employment elsewhere.”

Aberdeen and Grampian Chamber of Commerce chief executive Bob Collier was among the invited audience at yesterday’s ceremony.

Last night, he echoed Sir Ian’s warning, saying: “We probably have 30 to 40 more years of North Sea oil and plenty of chance to anchor our unique expertise in this region for a longer timescale, but we need to start now to replace one sector with others.

“The Trump development provides a major leisure and tourism development of international appeal.

“Our universities have growing reputations for their research. Our workforce has transferable skills. And our businesses have the talent to succeed.

“However, none of this will fall into our laps and we’ll have to work hard to stay a prosperous region.”

Sir Ian added: “I do believe that this (the Trump development) will help attract other leisure and recreation activities.

“It is a very important diversification for our economy and it seemed very appropriate to recognise that by conferring a degree on the gentleman behind it.”

Mr Trump was made a doctor of business administration, but he told the Press and Journal that he would not be taking up his new right to put the honorary title of Dr before his name.

After receiving the honour, Mr Trump was again asked if he was going to run for the US presidency.

He said it was “too early” to say who his potential running mate would be and laughed when Sarah Palin, the former Republican candidate for vice-president, was suggested.

He said the golf course was “on perfect schedule” and added: “It’s even coming out better than anything we imagined, even in our wildest dreams. It’s going to be spectacular.”

The decision to honour Mr Trump has sparked some anger but there was just one protester and a dog waiting for him when he arrived at the university’s Garthdee campus for the ceremony.

“I heard there was going to be a big protest today and no one showed up,” he said.

However, about 20 protesters had gathered outside when Mr Trump left at 11.30am. They shouted that Scotland was “not for sale” as he climbed inside his car.

He flew back to New York last night after rounding off his three-day visit to the north-east. He is expected to return to Scotland early next year.

Reader's Comments

Perhaps Sir Ian Wood can explain why putting a giant concrete slab on top of Union Terrace Gardens is going to keep jobs in the city long term, because I cant. I believe the opposite to be true. If the city centre is redeveloped as sir Ian suggests, Aberdeen would stop looking like Aberdeen and would start looking like just about any other modern city. There is a hard core of energy professionals who love Aberdeen and who have chosen to stay here long term because of this. These are the people who can manage a transition from oil and gas to the alternative energy hub much touted for the region. They will leave the city if its character goes.
mike shepherd
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Aberdeen and the North East can not allow some wooly thinking tree huggers to derail the UTG upgrade.
Tam Glen
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Can understand the benefits of the Golf Course, even though I dont like how it has been handled. But I cant see any benefits of UTG upgrade.....It would be great as it is if the money was spent to upgrade and maintain the greens, trees and access.
Richard Hall
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"Wooly thinking tree huggers". What does that mean Tam? Sir Ian Wood and ACSEF have consistently failed to come with any evidence for their ludicrous assertion that the City Square Project Garden will secure the economic future of the North-east. And their actions have cost the city millions in inward investment by derailing the Peacock Visual Arts Contemporary Arts Centre. Who's guilty of wooly thinking?
Alasdair Johnston
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Great picture - two billionaire bullies.
dorothy bothwell
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1BN to turff out 4-5 families and to build a car park. Yeah, Tam, I can see you drooling. Your an afront!
manniewe naeclue
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Interesting to note Sir Ian Wood's comment “Otherwise, we are going to have a lot of heritage, but no jobs and no young people." I don't think the jobs, not granite message will go down very well in the city, especially when there is no explanation given for saying that and it's not easy to think of one.
mike shepherd
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Reiterating the same old nonsense. I thought Malcolm Webb, Head Honcho at Oil and Gas UK, already stated that there was oil ‘a plenty’ and there was no need to panic? Sorry Sir Ian, but you and your cronies, have made a right bucket of this one and brought nothing of any substance to the table. It is interesting that we have not heard a dicky bird from Sir Ian Wood for quite some time, until DT flies into town. And the papers regurgitate the same utter tripe that has been printed to date diluted by Bob Colliers less than inspiring repartee. Batten down the hatches folks, Scotland is no longer a safe place to be.
roger fontain
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Golf course: yes. CPOs: never. Perhaps Woody would like to help his new chum Donald by offering £5million (small change to him) to each of the Menie Four.
Bill Harrison
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Mr Wood's vision is that one of a mad MINORITY in Aberdeen. Very few businesses support this. Very few Wood Group employees support this. The people decided. People WILL decided not Wood
zoltan varga
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So of all the people commenting on this, only "Tam" is for the UTG abomination? A bit like the vote against it that the council (same one who has left us millions in debt) decide they know better! Like a few have mentioned, what benefit would the UTG project give the city other than another job for Stewart Milne and after his eyesore on Anderson Drive, would you trust this man? Cronies getting together to make more money out of my city, no thanks! Rather than build yet another shopping mall like Union Square they should have regenerated Union Street, that would have made sense so not going to be thought of by this council.
IAN GRANT
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So of all the people commenting on this, only "Tam" is for the UTG abomination? A bit like the vote against it that the council (same one who has left us millions in debt) decide they know better! Like a few have mentioned, what benefit would the UTG project give the city other than another job for Stewart Milne and after his eyesore on Anderson Drive, would you trust this man? Cronies getting together to make more money out of my city, no thanks! Rather than build yet another shopping mall like Union Square they should have regenerated Union Street, that would have made sense so not going to be thought of by this council.
IAN GRANT
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Oh tam, is that the best arguement you can come up with for UTG? the trees will be fine, but you clearly need a hug though.. have you looked at how many people have opposed the csp, and what kind of people, over 10,000 including the entire RIAS board, all 122 members unanimously condemned the project, financial experts, oil industry experts, businessmen etc.. if the only way to challange their opinion is to go in a huff, call them names, then go nuts, it's entertaining at least.. mind you, if ian wood cant come up with a better arguement than 'just because it's contraversial doesnt mean we shouldnt build it' then why expect anything better from anyone else..
Ved M
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The comment about Trump investing so much money in the NE is a nonsense. Trump is the developer of a large housing scheme and the investors are the punters who purchase the houses. This will be the mere displacement of "investment" elsewhere in the region. As for the resort, that I suspect that would require a year round benign climate to be viable. And do we wish to rely on tourism? That's for poor people and poor countries.
Michty Me
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Nice photo of two Megalomaniacs, so full of their own self importance, all they dessire is more power and money. Woods vision has still to be explained as how it will benefit the city. Nowhere in all the plans, drawings and contradicting stories from ACSEF/Wood have they explained that in any way at all. What are they going to do with the rest of Union Street, shabby and full of cut price shops, mobile phone shops, shops with their windows covered in "Sale" signs. Not a pretty sight. So just how building a concrete undulating expanse make it better. People are more likely to stay here with something that not many other places have, a garden in the middle of the city. Now that is different. But no Wood has had his vision and will stop at nothing to get his way. With his sycophantic ACSEF drooling on every word, our council so under the spell of a suspect "Donation". Just what has happened to the minds of the ones who are supposed to look after the city. Woods arguement that Dundee was bereft with the loss of the jute, but just look at it now. Far superior thinking from their council, than we can ever have from ours. What happened to their great BonAccord project?? Out the window when Wood came along with his "Donation". Show the shallow thinking of our council, now John Stewart is saying that the new drawings will be better and will change the minds of the people. Why can't he just admit that they spent thousands asking for opinions, but did not like the answers, so will waste more money until they get what they think will work. Madness.
minnie mo
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Oh dear here we go again. Sir Ian Wood someone who was born, educated, lived, prospered and employed thousands in the city over three generations is spelling it out to you all and you still embark in character assassination. Absolutely unbelieveable!!! The cost of doing nothing is completely unthinkable. You all might want to check the DTI figures on the state of North Sea oil and this will back up the need for a diverse economy in the future. Let's not forget we are on the periphery of not just the UK but Europe so something special needs to be here to sustain our current position in the world economy and at least this is being done ahead of time and not just a reaction once it all goes wrong like Dundee and others.
Sandy Milne
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There were lots of objectors against the Sydney Opera House, would they tear it down now? I dont think so. Is the UTG worth saving? a concrete slab or a hole in the ground, I'll go with the slab. are you offering me a hug Ved? met me in the garden at 1500, I'll wear a blue suit and carry a red blanket.
Tam Glen
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I don’t want to join the band of detractors of SIW’s business record. One assumes that inheriting JWG was a useful leg-up in creating the current Wood Group but many a son has taken a family fortune and invested it in wine and women. Where I do have considerable difficulty is in giving credibility to the Chancellor of RGU - and others - flinging out self acknowledged poor comparison, and personal hunches, without a single Harvard or Vancouver reference in support. Where is the evidence of critical thinking in these statements? Newly enrolled freshers could not submit work of this quality without severe criticism. It gives me no pleasure at all to wonder aloud if SIW is prematurely losing the capacity for cogent thought. If the analysis is there, may we please be directed to it in order that we can apply AAA thinking ourselves?
Ubi D
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Ubi D had you been capable of cogent thought in the 1960's, and been resident in Aberdeen at that time, you would have witnessed this area dying on its feet and facing an uncertain future. The fact a discovery of hydrocarbons came along and saved the area from deprivation and urban decay seems to escape you. At least give the guy some credit of life experience and the motivation to actually do something to help others experience the fortunate position he inherited and maximised to good effect.
Sandy Milne
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Wood, Trump and Smith should apply for a job with Billy Smart because what a bunch of clowns they are and I’m sure they could get a job for their Collie sorry Collier selling pop corn.
Robert Horne
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This is a pretty standard ploy in the US. A developer cosys up to politicians to get a subsidy for a project. Wood is a bit more brazen than most lookin for 3/4 of the development costs. A least Trump isn't trying to weasel public funds to do his project. Although with Trumps history of serial bankruptcys there will probably be tears for some.
Alan Craigie
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Once again, the usual vague scaremongering from the usual culprits: ‘…unpopular decisions had to be made to ensure the region had a future once North Sea oil ran out.’ Fair enough, but if Sir Ian Wood and his attendant lickspittles want to continue to trot out their cloudy polemic, then they need to ensure they’re able to justify (qualitatively and quantitatively) how initiatives such as the City Square/Project/Garden (which is utterly devoid of credibility due to its lack of any coherent argument for its need) will benefit Aberdeen and Aberdeenshire.
Holden Caulfield
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Milne, your personal appraisal of life in the 1960s, and my modest part in them, may or may not be correct. For the avoidance of doubt, what I am asking you to do is to explain concisely why the city's future economic well being cannot be guaranteed without converting Union Terrace Gardens to retail space and car parking. And why the city's future economic well being can be guaranteed by the same measure. Do you understand what it is you are being asked to do? If so, could you please do it without departing from the subject? Thank you.
Ubi D
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Sandy, can you explain to us how a golf course and an expensive cosmetic exercise on a garden will "sustain our current position in the world economy". What irritates me more than the schemes themselves is the hype of them. It's a golf course and garden, just not economically significant.
Michty Me
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Ubi, OK let me attempt to explain which I'm reluctant to do to be perfectly honest because you really need cogent thought to understand economic development on this scale. The CGP is going to be a headline project that will attract other things to happen as a consequence of it being built. The exact footprint of the area that will be designated eligible for TIF finance will not just be bounded by the streets immediately next to the project. In actual fact once this is determined you will find it will encompass practically the whole of Aberdeen City Centre and will bring about large returns that the city will retain and reinvest in other projects. The bottom line is you need a headline project of sufficient scale to attract the consequential investment and growth. I hope you understand that because I'm not going any further on this type of communication medium.
Sandy Milne
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Tam, at the end of the day, all hype and pr aside, the csp was imagined and started in november 2008, and it wont be till august 2011 that the first draft outline proposals are actually on the table, although the paramaters of the proposal have already been explored and found risky.. in that time, the PVA building could have been built, opened and visited by many, in the regenerated gardens, and there'd still have been plenty of space to put a concrete slab over the road and rail if that's what you'd have liked to see, probably at a much lower cost.. instead, the selfish all-or-nothing attitude has derailed one significant goer project, all for a wishful gamble that maybe by 2011 there might be a decent version of a proposal that was a non-starter to start off with..not exatcly a visionary Or forward thinking approach..
Ved M
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I think an old friend of mine from Glasgow was dead right when he said you folks in Aberdeen obviously need wee dose of poverty to regain some perspective. With regard to economic prosperity I think we have undoubtedly had it so good for so long that we really do not understand the need to compete with other destinations for future investement. I for one feel we must urgently invest in our city centre, but like many here feel that there is much scope for improving what i have seen so far. For this reason i would urge everyone to keep on demanding better outcomes. As for Donald and his golf course bring it on. Remember its success or failure as a business venture is not really the point. St Andrews Bay has gone bust at least three times with various investors loosing their shirts, but every year it continues to deliver a huge economic benefit to the town.
Missing You
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Sandy, which one of the many formats of the CSP/CGP is it you are referring to as a headline project? what exactly is it that will attract other things to happen? because neither the previous shopping car park cpomplex, nor the current replacement of a garden with a garden at the same 140M+ cost really promise the returns you expect..
Ved M
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Ved again you've been selective in your interpretation. The crucial thing here is TIF. To be eligible for TIF the city has to demonstrate a project of sufficient scale to SFT, the government, banks, financial institutions etc etc will go ahead. Small scale projects that you have advocated will not do that and as a result will not happen and ultimately nothing will be done which is the exact scenario everyone is desparately trying to avoid.
Sandy Milne
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Sandy, what about building an iconic civic square on the site of the soon to be demolished St Nicholas House? Many people seem to think that is a good idea but seemingly Sir Ian isn't prepared to contemplate supporting anything other than his vision for Union Terrace Gardens. He may well be a successful businessman but that success does not mean that he knows everything there is to know about town centre planning and economic development.
Alasdair Johnston
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And Sandy, using a project that is fundamentally wrong to attract TIF funding does not make a bad idea into a good one!!!!
Alasdair Johnston
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Sandy. The TIF scheme in Edinburgh is for a area of derelict dockland with potential for development. How declaring the centre of Aberdeen derelict will produce additional investment escapes me. Just what tax producing developments will spring up as a consequence of elevating a garden?
Michty Me
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Oh by the way I heard on Northsound yesterday morning that job cuts were being predicted at Grays School of Art as a news iteem immediately after this item. Nothing else has been reported on this so I can only assume this was a cynical ploy by either some in the media or anti Trump brigade to stir up a protest yesterday. Didn't work did it. 20 protestors!!!
Sandy Milne
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Alastair, note the phrase "sufficent scale". Michty Me "area of derelict dockland with potential for development" is only part of the actual footprint of the TIF area where revenue is retained by the local authority.
Sandy Milne
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So sandy is the Only relevant thing to secure TIF scale then? not location, nor quality of either public or commercial space, nor content, nor cost, nor timeframe? why then is it crucial that the csp happens in the gardens, and with no budge on the paramaters set out by ian wood? na, i agree with alasdair and mitchy,and a flawed project like the csp can only put any genuine plausable investment oppurtunities at risk..
Ved M
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Sandy, sadly job cuts are being planned at Gray's with many staff being offered voluntary severance and the strong possibility of compulsory redundancies if not enough folk take up the kind offer. This news is not part of a cynical campaign by protestors but a sad reflection of the current value of the arts in our society.
Alasdair Johnston
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Sandy, I understand the concept of sufficient scale. I don't really understand how using a fundamentally flawed project to attract TIF funding can turn that project into something worthwhile. Can you explain?
Alasdair Johnston
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Sounds like a good idea to me to put a large concrete slab over UTG also add some toilets and washroom facilities along with an area for skips, sure would make a nice camping ground for the travellers.
Dennis Morrison
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Sounds like a good idea to me to put a large concrete slab over UTG also add some toilets and washroom facilities along with an area for skips, sure would make a nice camping ground for the travellers.
Dennis Morrison
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Sounds like a good idea to me to put a large concrete slab over UTG also add some toilets and washroom facilities along with an area for skips, sure would make a nice camping ground for the travellers.
Dennis Morrison
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WELL SAID TAM!!!! It's flabbergasting and infuriating how every attempt to modernise the region is met by a storm of protest by a vociferous few who - and let's be clear on this - are the absolute minority. Unless we invest in our community now, Trump International, Bypass, UTG, New Pittodrie etc., etc. there is no doubt that we'll be the Detroit of the UK. Is that really the legacy that the tree huggers and protesters want for this great city? Probably doesn't matter to the majority as they don't come from the region anyway!!!!
Andy Johnston
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WELL SAID TAM!!!! It's flabbergasting and infuriating how every attempt to modernise the region is met by a storm of protest by a vociferous few who - and let's be clear on this - are the absolute minority. Unless we invest in our community now, Trump International, Bypass, UTG, New Pittodrie etc., etc. there is no doubt that we'll be the Detroit of the UK. Is that really the legacy that the tree huggers and protesters want for this great city? Probably doesn't matter to the majority as they don't come from the region anyway!!!!
Andy Johnston
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Alasdair, i assume by 'the current value of arts in our society' you are referring to aberdeen and not today's time? because the value of arts elsewhere is at a high just now, there have been significant facilities opened in glasgow and edinburgh and dundee, not to mention down south in the last few years, i've listed them before, i dont want to lengthen this comment, and all are doing extremely well, and there is many more in the pipeline, including proposals for a new V&A of the north.. Glasgow School of Art has just secured a new design for new facilities across the street from the Macintosh landmark, and there is even talk of opening a highland branch, this in addition to the new transport museum on the river.. if you get a chance, book a visit to the briggait to see the working artsts studios there, you;l be surprised how much work goes on there.. na it's only in aberdeen that arts and cultural projects are bottom of the priority list, and get forsaken for a gamble on an unspecified vision..
Ved M
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Alasdair, I don't understand "fundamentally flawed project" please explain.
Sandy Milne
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Andy, where's your evidence that opponents of the City Garden Project are a minority? I am not opposed to modernisation and, like many people, supported a magnificent modernisation in the shape of Peacock Visual Arts' Contemporary Arts Centre which would have brought a multi-million pound investment into the city. What evidence do you have to support the suggestion that the City Garden Project will contribute to the economic future of the North-east?
Alasdair Johnston
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Ah "The value of the arts". The new V&A in Dundee will cost £48M will cost £2.7M anually to run will employ 60 people will take in £1M so will require a SUBSIDY OF £1.7M. Great value I think not!!!
Sandy Milne
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Sandy, the City Square Project is fundamentally flawed as it involves the destruction of a beautiful space and fails to take into account the topography and existing architecture of the area. The loss of the mature trees constitutes environmental vandalism. Why do you think the RIAS was overwhelmingly opposed to the plan? Can you explain how using a bad idea to attract TIF funding turns it into a good idea?
Alasdair Johnston
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WELL SAID TAM!!!! It's flabbergasting and infuriating how every attempt to modernise the region is met by a storm of protest by a vociferous few who - and let's be clear on this - are the absolute minority. Unless we invest in our community now, Trump International, Bypass, UTG, New Pittodrie etc., etc. there is no doubt that we'll be the Detroit of the UK. Is that really the legacy that the tree huggers and protesters want for this great city? Probably doesn't matter to the majority as they don't come from the region anyway!!!!
Andy Johnston
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Alasdair where's your evidence that the PVA and UTG would have and will contribute to the economic future of the North East?
Sandy Milne
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Sandy, perhaps The Arts bring value beyond your ken. Me and my wee boy were at the Music Hall last night to hear Donal Runnicles conducting Beethoven's Eroica Symphony - as a taxpayer I am delighted to see my tax going to support this type of activity. Without it our lives are worth so much less.
Alasdair Johnston
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Sandy, My evidnece is in ACSEF's own report into the PVA Contemporary Arts Centre which suggested it would create 70 FTE jobs, attract 200000 visitors to the City annually and inject £5million pounds to the local economy. I don't have a link to that report handy but I'm sure you can find it through google.
Alasdair Johnston
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Sandy, will you answer my question now since I've answered 3 of yours?
Alasdair Johnston
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Alasdair, you are funadamentally wrong in your assumption that the existing architechure will not be taken into account. If you care to look at the feasibility study architectural drawings you will see that the arches, toilets and other such features of UTG have been given the respect they deserve. Please be careful with the half truths because you will ultimately fail if you go down that road.
Sandy Milne
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WELL SAID TAM!!!! It's flabbergasting and infuriating how every attempt to modernise the region is met by a storm of protest by a vociferous few who - and let's be clear on this - are the absolute minority. Unless we invest in our community now, Trump International, Bypass, UTG, New Pittodrie etc., etc. there is no doubt that we'll be the Detroit of the UK. Is that really the legacy that the tree huggers and protesters want for this great city? Probably doesn't matter to the majority as they don't come from the region anyway!!!!
Andy Johnston
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Alasdair please read the ACSEF Technical Appraisal and the 3 options for the Denburn Valley and the subsequent summary of all 3 in section 7. Please don't be selective in your arguments. http://www.acsef.co.uk/infoPageMS.cfm?pageID=10&MSID=14
Sandy Milne
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Sandy, my point is that the existing architecture uses the valley topography to great effect. Building the City Square Project will essentially remove that valley and in that sense will be detrimental to the existing architecture. Any chance of you answering my question - I have to go out soon.
Alasdair Johnston
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Sandy, we are all necessarily selective in our arguments as life is too short for anyone to know everything there is to know. Thanks for the link to the ACSEF doc, I'll look at it later, maybe after I've read your answer to my question.
Alasdair Johnston
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Sandy, the idea of the City Sqaure being "fundamentally flawed” was outlined by the Aberdeen Architects Network and was published in this very paper here:http://www.pressandjournal.co.uk/Article.aspx/1521733#ixzz0gDPvHLPa , although given your previous statements you wont value the opinion of experts compared to those like wood who have millions in exploiting oil and being right place at the right time. As for the apparent "cynical" reports of cuts at Grays School of Art and hearing nothing more of it, again it was reported in this very paper, today: http://www.pressandjournal.co.uk/Article.aspx/1956102 perhaps before lamblasting everyone else for their apparent lack of research you should do so for yourself. As for your condescending call to Alasdair to "care to look at the feasibility study" we have and while ACSEF maintains that these drawings you refer to are just impressions and not what it will look like, perhaps you yourself will care to have a look at the details, perhaps of the 26 exclusions to the final price, and other details such as "the difficulty in quantifying the benefits will be considerable"
Fraser Denholm
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Andy-My guess is that you are not a born and bred Aberdonian,hence your reference to"region".And if you were a born and bred proud Aberdonian you would not even consider the construction cacothes this lot of fools are trying to do to a still dignified city and it's citizens.We're not having it.Get lost.
harvey freshwater
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Sandy, you're quite right to avoid Alistair Johnstone's wooly headed tree-hugging bearded sandal wearing questions. The City Garden Project is a great idea and nobody needs any evidence of how it will sort the future of the North-east when we in the silent majority know it just will.
Tom Di Canari
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Sandy, I tried your link but it didn't work. Does it refer to the HFM feasibility study?
Alasdair Johnston
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Tom, please at least have the decency to spell people's names properly before insulting them!
Alasdair Johnston
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WELL SAID TAM!!!! It's flabbergasting and infuriating how every attempt to modernise the region is met by a storm of protest by a vociferous few who - and let's be clear on this - are the absolute minority. Unless we invest in our community now, Trump International, Bypass, UTG, New Pittodrie etc., etc. there is no doubt that we'll be the Detroit of the UK. Is that really the legacy that the tree huggers and protesters want for this great city? Probably doesn't matter to the majority as they don't come from the region anyway!!!!
Andy Johnston
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Some like Sandy have a faith akin to the "cargo cult" of Pacific Islanders. Envious of the possessions of the US Forces in WW2 but ignorant of the process that created and supplied them, they built for totems, in a futile attempt to attract themselves goods. Gardens and golf are their totems.
Michty Me
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Fraser the 14 indiividuals you mention (Aberdeen Architects Network) does not really give that credability does it. I've got 20 mates in the pub that will tell you differently and that's what that amounts to isn't it. I'm under no illusion that what is in the feasibilty study is the final design and I really want to see some of the features incorporated in the final design. Just to let you know it has been documented that SFT have saved £111M this year alone from infrastructure projects so the final price would be subject to conjecture. It's good to see good business practice being applied rather than willy nilly council spending. http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/politics/scotland/7976080/Scottish-Futures-Trust-saves-111-million.html
Sandy Milne
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Sandy's position is that building the city square will engender a lot more development in the city. It's what I call the Vietnam arument "It was necessary to destroy the town, to save it." It's a bogus argument. What upsets me greatly is that there is a serious, grown-up discussion to be had about the future of Aberdeen. This revolves about what is needed to keep the oil companies in the city longer, i.e finding ways to keep the oil fields producing longer (a professional interest of mine). It also involves managing a transition from oil and gas to alternative energy to keep the city as an energy centre. Are we talking about this? No! We are arguing about putting a big concrete slab in the city centre and the so-called magical properties this will have in boosting the cities economy. Get real Aberdeen!
mike shepherd
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Cacotheses-My apologies,I was too busy hugging a tree,wearing sandals and NOT"Working for the Yankee Dollahh(cf.South Pacific).Anyways,we should'nt waste our our time with irrelevant,retrograde,forelock tugging disgaceful excuses for Aberdonians.
harvey freshwater
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Sandy, so what about the 122 members of the Royal Institute of Architects in Scotland voting unanimously against the CSP - does their view not count?
Alasdair Johnston
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Thanks for your intelligent response Harvey. Not that it matters, but I am a born and bred Aberdonian - unlike the majority of the protesters that come out of the woodwork every time someone wants to undertake a significant project in or around Aberdeen. As a child, I loved UTG, but these are changed days. Sure, I have mixed feelings about redeveloping the gardens, but covering up the road and linking across to Belmont street will, if done properly, remove a real eyesore from the centre of town. Doing it properly is the key. Doing nothing is a lost opportunity.
Andy Johnston
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Thanks for your intelligent response Harvey. Not that it matters, but I am a born and bred Aberdonian - unlike the majority of the protesters that come out of the woodwork every time someone wants to undertake a significant project in or around Aberdeen. As a child, I loved UTG, but these are changed days. Sure, I have mixed feelings about redeveloping the gardens, but covering up the road and linking across to Belmont street will, if done properly, remove a real eyesore from the centre of town. Doing it properly is the key. Doing nothing is a lost opportunity.
Andy Johnston
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Andy, to avoid repeating your postings don't hit the refresh button. Best plan is to go to the home page then back to the article. Any chance you could answer my question about your evidence to back up your assertion that the silent majority support the City Garden Project?
Alasdair Johnston
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Like yourself Andy, I am a born and bred Aberdonian. In my thirty years in the oil industry I have come to work with many non-natives who have come to love the city as much as I do. they have helped to keep our city prosperous and I believe they are entitled to their opinions on the future of the city as much as you and me. Many value the quality of life that the city has to offer and they tell me that they value the granite heritage of the city of which UTG is an integral part. It is a bogus argument that we need to modernise the city in order to attract and keep professionals in the city. Anyway re your other point, it is possible to hide the road without destroying the park, but this option will not be considered.
mike shepherd
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The way Sir Ian Wood, who played a major role in the prosperity of our city and has employed thousands of Aberdonians over the last few decades, has been presented as a man wanting to destroy the gardens with a concrete slab is sad and indicative of the way the anti-development brigade operate. People seem to forget that the gardens are empty unless it is a beautiful day and a haven for junkies at night, aswell as having poor accessibility. By covering the road and railway more green space can be created than currently exists, but that's ignored by those against the plans. The square hasn't even been designed yet. I'm all in favour of the development, assuming its done correctly, and grateful to Ian Wood for donating 50 million to the city (and the anonymous backer who pledged 5 million).
Cameron Smith
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The way Sir Ian Wood, who played a major role in the prosperity of our city and has employed thousands of Aberdonians over the last few decades, has been presented as a man wanting to destroy the gardens with a concrete slab is sad and indicative of the way the anti-development brigade operate. People seem to forget that the gardens are empty unless it is a beautiful day and a haven for junkies at night, aswell as having poor accessibility. By covering the road and railway more green space can be created than currently exists, but that's ignored by those against the plans. The square hasn't even been designed yet. I'm all in favour of the development, assuming its done correctly, and grateful to Ian Wood for donating 50 million to the city (and the anonymous backer who pledged 5 million).
Cameron Smith
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Mike you seem to have changed tack in recent weeks you must be getting more informed but don't have the humility to admit you were wrong in the first place. No one is saying "It was necessary to destroy the town, to save it." As you have been harping on about the run down state of the city, what is being said here is that these places will get the necessary work done to bring them back up to standard as a consequence. No one is advocating a "concrete slab" and certainly not Sir Ian Wood. We do not have a 700 year old castle on top of a defunct volcano or a 750,000 population to help drive forward the economic benefits that the city needs. Being a parochial backwater will not cut it and we need to have a lesson in self promotion to make things happen. At least with Donald Trump we won't have anyone better at it.
Sandy Milne
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Mike option 2 in the HFM Technical Appraisal details just that option and is ruled in. It appears the silent majority is starting to wake up today as well.
Sandy Milne
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Andy-"an eyesore"?Are you Ok?Seriously,because if people actually exist that perceive natural beauty in such an inhuman fashion then it really is the end of days.And by the way the nice people win every time,did'nt you and wee Sandie not know history repeats itself?
harvey freshwater
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The debate over UTG is more than just how the gardens are used or whether the road and railway is covered. It is about the heart and soul of the centre of Aberdeen. You either want a modern city square or you want to keep the Victorian gardens as they prefectly complement the surrounding granite buildings. I want Aberdeen to look like Aberdeen, a place where its heritage gives us a unique sense of place and belonging. I don't want this city to look like everywhere else. The majority of the city agrees with me. The jobs, not granite argument does not stack up and is no justification for destroying the soul of the city.
mike shepherd
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Harvey, Andy is correct with the comment "an eyesore". If you look at your history as you say the whole Denburn valley including UTG is an after thought from previous developments bounded by Union Street, Union Terrace and Rosemount Viaduct. The fact UTG exists at all is down to the fact of someone cleaning up a residual area left over from previous building sites and developments.
Sandy Milne
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Cameron-His Dad did.He's not an entrpreneur in a true sense.In fact you sound just a younger version of the reactionaries using 1970's rhetoric(above).Ancient Celtic warrior race??Ha blooming Ha!
harvey freshwater
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Sandy you well know that Sir Ian Wood is only prepared to invest his money in the option that gives you walk-on access at street level. As to the idea that Aberdeen is a parochial backwater and this hinders its economic development is a terribly weak argument. Have you not noticed that the oil industry in town? The future of Aberdeen is energy. The idea of making the old dame of Aberdeen more attractive by giving her a new mini-skirt doesn't cut it.
mike shepherd
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Mike, I know the Oil industry is in town having worked in it just as long as you have and it will continue to be here for some years to come hopefully. Here is a direct quote from May's Council Meeting agenda item that is factual. "The oil and gas Industry has put Aberdeen in a privileged position since the discovery of the first North Sea oil field in 1969. Aberdeen has seen itself as a leading City in a truly global industry and its businesses have increasingly seen opportunities to export their innovative products and services around the world. But peak oil production is now in the distant past and current predictions suggest that as much as 25 billion barrels of oil might still be able to be produced with most of that being in the next 10 years. The current position is that there are 6 years of proven reserves. 1.11 If there are favourable fiscal conditions going forward then we may see all of that 25 billion barrels produced. If, on the other hand, a future Government decides to develop a less favourable fiscal regime, then many operators could well transfer their future investments into lower cost development areas overseas. 1.12 The position is clear, we have only a short time, whatever happens, to try and anchor many of our international service companies here in Aberdeen and make it a world energy hub for the future. The Structure Plan is ambitious and focuses on development but recognises that the area’s future is heavily dependent on investment in infrastructure." As you well know this could potentially be the start of economical decline if we are not careful.
Sandy Milne
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Cameron, the removal of a large number of mature and exceptionally beautiful trees would be a very sad loss to the city. The benefits of Union Terrace Gardens cannot simply be measure by how many people are in the gardens at any one time. I appreciate the beauty of the gardens every time I walk, cycle or drive past.
Alasdair Johnston
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Your right mike, there is a lot of fine modern architecture in the World but unfortunately Aberdeen has none of it, nor is it likely ever to get any. All the City has going for it, with its built environment is its Victorianheritage. Most new build you would not cross the road to look at less the world.
Michty Me
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Sandy you make many carefully thought out and coherent points but you have still not made a single argument that gives substance to the claim that the City Garden Project is a necessary element for securing the economic future of the North-east.
Alasdair Johnston
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When you have the National Trust saying to shut most of the North East castles, estates,and gardens because they are too far out of touch with the central belt. Would it not be better to have a better road, rail and air way into the city. This would encourage more people to live, visit and work here, Instead of covering a garden at the cost of millions. At the end of the day, the City Square project is more about what is behind the gardens, a link through with another road through the garden from Union Square (as per ACSEF own web site). This then would meet up with the demolished Denburn area and Woolmanhill, then they can widen Berryden, which was proposed quite a few years ago. All this vision of Woods, has been well thought out with future developments, of which the gardens are a hindrence to the projects. Even the council speak about not losing this business project. But do not tell us what the business project is. We seem to be getting a lot of "Wait and see" it will be a great thing. But for all these pro CSP have they really thought out the aftermath of the costs of the upkeep of this huge building. Just to make a link and through way from Guild Street. More here than we are being told.
minnie mo
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Sandy, we are mostly starting to agree with another. We disagree on strategy. I gave a deputation to the full council on the 30th June where I stated that I was willing to help the council with a strategy to keep the energy business in Aberdeen longer. I have a consultancy business giving advice to oil companies on how to get more oil out of their fields. I have also written a textbook on the subject. The council accepted my offer and I have had a couple of meetings with the council executive discussing the issue. I pointed out some clear initiatives that would help keep oil companies here longer and this has caused much interest. There is more to come on this topic but I won't say anything just yet. As I mentioned earlier, there is a need to have a grown-up discussion on the future of Aberdeen that doesn't get distracted by the bogus arguments about the city square and its magical properties of somehow engendering growth and wealth in the city.
mike shepherd
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The proponents of the scheme feel that they need provide some economic validity for it and this is where they flounder. If they just said "well I think it looks better" that would be a matter of taste, we could disagree and then leave it at that.
Michty Me
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Alexander Casuist Milne is playing true to form with his multiple, repetitive on-message posts on a day of a 'big' UTG development. I still suspect that he is a paid(but not very good) professional scribe in the mould of the more recently emerged (transatlantic-centric) Gran Canaria. Is Andy Johnston incapable of clicking the 'post' button once or does he, as another paid hireling, WANT his posts to keep reappearing on or close to the bottom line of the page? The city square juggernaut is clearly now rolling and can only be stopped at the Holyrood and ACC ballot boxes. If the casuist is still unaware that something like 90% of his fellow Aberdonians are INCENSED at Sir Ian Wood's intended bulldozing of UTG and their replacement with a carpark for Stewart Milne, he only needs to stop a few passers-by in Union Street and ask their for their opinion on the intended laying-waste to their mature, city-centre Victorian parklands by Dr Trump's University Chancellor friend.
Graham Slater
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Mike, I admire you for doing what you are attempting to do and agree there is much to come with improved tehniques for IOR. I'm sure you'll agree that all the Major Operators are still in town even in the face of depleting reserves. I also think you'll agree that their operations are taking on a different perspective locally with more emphasis on grooming the next generation through education and making Aberdeen a centre of excellence that will be important in years to come as they diversify into renewables and other energy resources. From that end we do need to make the city a more attractive place for young vibrant people from students to young professionals with families negating the need to travel to other areas in their valuable leisure time. The CGP will provide a space for events of various natures that will make Aberdeen the place to be at all times of the year. The opportunity to have a venue in the city centre that will accommodate 5000 people safely as opposed to a restricted area that can at best accommodate 500 really makes the case for building it and encouraging visitors to come into the city.
Sandy Milne
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HAIR DYE SUPPLIES RUN SHORT IN ABERDEEN Panic buying of honey-blonde hair dye was reported in Aberdeen and Inverurie supermarkets on Thursday night. The 6 major retail players in the North East had sold close to 150 bottles of the stuff by midnight and special replenishment supplies had to be called up from central distribution depots as stocks threatened to run out.
Graham Slater
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I see we've got the same old tripe from Graham Fantasist Slater appearing again. Surely there's not an episode of Star Trek on the goggle box just now to get his daily fix of logic from Mr Spock or even some philosophy from Obi Wan Kenobi from Star Wars.
Sandy Milne
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Rattled today, are we, Mr Milne? you should take a few days off, say visiting a few of your friends in Libya. Have you started your door chappin to present yourself to your electorate as a prospective candidate for ACC in 2012? Remember, you only need to get 800 votes to be elected.
Graham Slater
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Sandy, What will make Aberdeen a vibrant, attractive place for young professionals these days is that there are jobs here. Aberdeen has its drawbacks to incomers, but the appearance of the city is most certainly not one of them. It is 500 miles from London, it is far from the family and friends of most incomers and the climate isn't great. These geographical facts cannot be changed. However, many people who come here find the quality of life very attractive, and come to greatly appreciate the granite heritage of Aberdeen and the sense of place it gives. As one oil company manager told me once, "You can't get the beggars up here, and once you do, you can't get them out again." He is right, Aberdeen has this amazing ability to hold onto professional staff long term, let's not spoil that. They are needed for our future.
mike shepherd
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No not rattled Mr Slater. Just don't suffer fools gladly. Is it not time you went away and re-charged your light sabre.
Sandy Milne
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Any ideas where I could stick it, Mr Milne? Normally I scroll past your casuistry, as you know. Since you're obviously on overtime today, let me ask you again. Have you started door chappin to introduce yourself to your electorate as a prospective ACC candidate in 2012? You only need 800 votes to be elected, after all.
Graham Slater
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Mike I totally agree with what you've said and with what the guy told you, but what's wrong with enhancing that life experience further? We've obviously created a winning formula so let's examine our shortfalls and address them also. The main gripe I hear from young people is that there is nothing to do socially. Why have them travel to the central belt for concerts or to see big acts at a weekend when they can have them on their doorstop. If you look at the dates of acts on at the Music Hall for example a lot of them are booked for a Sunday night, what does that tell you? It tells me they do Glasgow and Edinburgh on a Friday and Saturday and just squeeze in Aberdeen on the Sunday as an after thought. Does that mean Aberdeen is a second rate venue? If it does we need to up our game I'm afraid.
Sandy Milne
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Sir Ian Wood and Donald trump are wanting to invest there own money to do something special which will benifit aberdeen so whats wrong with that whats all the people that disagreeing with them contributing to aberdeen? The only thing that gets me about the square that gets built over union terrace gardens it will mean there will be a lot of wasted space below its just a shame that space cant be fully utilized. Everyone is entitled to ther own opinion but at present the whole area were union terrace gardens is its just complete eyesore its like a big hole in the centre of aberdeen
Eddie Aberdeen
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Eddie, you are entitled to your opinion and I welcome that. Not everyone agrees with you, I certainly don't. A public consultation was held on the issue earlier this year and we were told that the public could decide whether the city square could go ahead or not. 55% said no, 44% said yes. There would have been more no's had it not been for a bug in the online poll which registered many no's as yes. But even so the public rejected it. There is much anger in the city that the politiians have ignored the consultation.
mike shepherd
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Eddie, copy and paste this in your browser. This is only conceptional but worth a look. http://www.acsef.co.uk/infoPageMS.cfm?pageID=10&MSID=14
Sandy Milne
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If they both have so much money to invest and are worried about the future then maybe they should be building on Aberdeen's energy expertise and re-developing those skills for use in alternative energy and transport technologies. But maybe that's not the sort of memorial they want to leave behind?
Lin Wintle
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Na eddie, this is more like a bad episode of dragons den for ian wood.. he's offering to invest 6% of his fortune into an idea he's got, and is asking for the public or the governemt to match his investment at least threefold, and also take all the risk of seeing any benefit to it.. unfortunately, his idea is pants, and the market research is negative, and the dragons will eventually declare themselves out.. the big downfall being, it's a very very long episode, and we dont get to watch anything else on tv until the credits roll, nor do we get to see any other more viable ideas emerge in the meantime!!!
Ved M
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Sandy that site of ACSEF you have given is not available. Seems they are having problems with it. So can you give us a clue as to what the contents of that site are about. All other sites on their web is Ok.
minnie mo
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Well is this 2 Goons together, or is it the Woodentops back again, will they both be able to attend the weekly sessions at Cornhill for those suffering from delusions, schizophrenia, and paranoia, and I hope that they will find a cure for them, but the above are all prerequisite for standing for a President of the USA, so Trump has a head start on everyone else for that position.
Peter Wilson
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Peter Wilson
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Minnie it works for me. But any way here's another route go the the main acsef website and click on the section Union Terrace Gardens Technical Appraisal link and access the HFM documents.
Sandy Milne
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Your exchange with Sandy Milne has been a good one, but you are wrong, Mike. Aberdeen has many things going for it but that does not preclude the need to embrace fundamental changes. Young professionals and their families value ambience above heritage. I remember the city before oil when it was decaying, with the best and brightest fleeing wages and living standards well below the national (Scottish) average. 40 years on, it is imperative that the city builds upon its wealth by seizing the day. There may be oil a plenty as another contributor put it, but the world may not want oil or be able to afford it if extraction costs continue to rise. You are beginning to sound like the twa wifies interviewed on TV at the time of the opening of the Forties field who lamented tainted money coming to an Aberdeen changing for ever 'their' city which they liked as it was, than you very much.The Menie golf course and the reconstruction of the city centre are not panaceas, being only elements of the future regeneration of the city and its environs.
Jock Willam
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Can the P&J perhaps get their facts right regarding the cost of the golf course. A 'billion pounds' is a million million.
Joe Bloggs
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Oh by the way Mike Shepherd... you don't have speak some cobblers pal.
Joe Bloggs
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Sorry Joe, but Britain switched to the short scale system in the mid seventies as I recall...
Holden Caulfield
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Joe, I suppose if you're going to be both rude and make errors with words and numbers, it's a good idea to keep your comments till after everyone's gone to bed.
Alasdair Johnston
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Wood and Trump - compadres in greed and self interest - the selfish and short sighted value system all the rage in Aberdeen at the moment.
bill boggia
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Holden Cauliflower - do the maths mate. Alisdair - dry your eyes.
Joe Bloggs
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Joe, my eyes are dry. In the UK a billion is a thousand million. In the US it's a million million. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Billion) I know where I am. Where are you?
Alasdair Johnston
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Jock, nice to hear from you again. Still looking forward to lunch in Perugia in 2020? I am. There's no doubt Aberdeen needs to change, grow, develop and modernise to cope with socio-economic change and there are many bits of the city centre that would benefit from development. My concern about Union Terrace Gardens is that the catalyst for change seems to be exclusively Sir Ian Wood's idea and his £50million. I would rather see a coherent look at the city centre with an in-depth analysis of the potential for development. Many people would consider other sites as being much more appropriate for major change. These include the site of St Nicholas House, soon to be redundant and probably demolished since no-one is likely to rent it for office space!: The Green, much improved in recent years but still blighted by hideous modern developments at either end with the Aberdeen Market and Trinity Centre: Golden Square could be much more than a city centre car park: the Castlegate has huge potential. Is it right that the development of Aberdeen City Centre hinges around the desire of one individual to push through his own favoured project?
Alasdair Johnston
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We won't have to go to Perugia, Alasdair, as Aberdeen will be more than a match for Umbria's capital by then. I cannot disagree with what you write, indeed I think that Aberdeen is favoured by having such places with so much potential. All of the above could grace any city if suitable investment and imagination could be applied. However, as much as it goes against the times, you should not overestimate popular will when it comes to progress. Individuals or small, often privileged, cohorts have been the drivers of most of the advances (and disasters) in recent and not so recent times.All that has changed is that Cosimo Medici would have put Peter Wilson, Minnie Mo et al to death by now.
Jock Willam
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Hilfenhaus to Sehwag, OUT, 75.5 mph, Sehwag has holed out to deep square-leg! It was the slower bouncer and Sehwag, who was hit on the helmet in the previous delivery, went for the big pull shot. And he couldn't clear the deep square-leg fielder. Hilfenhaus roars! India have lost Sehwag. Hilfenhaus to Sehwag, OUT, 75.5 mph, Sehwag has holed out to deep square-leg! It was the slower bouncer and Sehwag, who was hit on the helmet in the previous delivery, went for the big pull shot. And he couldn't clear the deep square-leg fielder. Hilfenhaus roars! India have lost Sehwag. V Sehwag c Johnson b Hilfenhaus 30 (28b 4x4 1x6) SR: 107.14
Alasdair Johnston
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Jock, you're right. It's obvious from what's happened already that money carries more weight than democracy or the views of the people. I wonder why they even bothered holding a consultation when they intended proceeding irrespective of the outcomes. It saddens me that the option of keeping Union Terrace Gardens as they are will not feature as an option in any future consultation. I'm not without hope though as the next council elections could see some major changes.
Alasdair Johnston
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Jock you are obviously of a generation that hasn't always had it so good and having reminders of the tough times prior to the North Sea Oil Boom is something alot of the present band of protestors don't have the luxury of tapping into. Hopefully there are enough of people of your generation to make the point to the under 50's that Aberdeen needs to move on sooner rather than later.
Sandy Milne
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Well better get my tuppence worth in before Jock kills me off. As for Sandys telling him to make the point to the under 50's that Aberdeen need to move on. Well I am probably in the same age group as good old Jock, and I do see a need for moving on, but not the way the council is doing it. The plans they had pre Wood/ACSEF were really good,but because of the Wood millions they have forgotten all their fine promises. Nobody on this comment page is against change or improvement, but are against a council changing its plans for the whims of an overly rich man with a Vision. Just what does this show to the population, that the council will and does change its policies to the tune of some money being mentioned. This does not show good management, ambition or enterprise, just pure and ugly greed. We have heard so many excuses for their agreement to Woods plans. A Lord Provost too scared to vote against in in case he would be laughed at. Some other councilors too scared to vote against their political party. One even had a meeting to find out what her constituents wanted and still voted for it against her constituents wishes. Does this make a good council or one that has its morality put into doubt. Progress is good when it is done correctly, but as we have seen from the beginning, the whole consultation was underhanded and biased, and Woods owns words were shown to be false. Go back to their original plans, which are still on the ACC web site and see what a much better plan then had. And it would cost a lot less than the Vision of SIW.
minnie mo
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Sandy, the fact that Jock William might be over 50 doesn't make the City Garden Project a good idea! No-one is opposed to Aberdeen moving on - we would just like it to move on in a sensible and well thought out way.
Alasdair Johnston
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I didn't know edinburgh, glasgow, Dundee and Inverness had oil & trump to rescue them in the past. It's amazing to think they are ok today because of an oil legacy and clique of rich business men dictating their direction.
Philip Thompson
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Edinburgh, Glasgow, Dundee and Inverness call centre heavens subsidised by government money received from tax revenues from the North East of Scotland.
Sandy Milne
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Minnie please link to the "original plans" you refer to on the ACC website.
Sandy Milne
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Goodness me Joe Bloggs – I don’t understand why I’ve offended you (also there's really to use a different surname for me - typo perhaps?), and I apologise if I have done so. I took your advice and tried to do the maths, only to find there was no maths to be done…My comment was in regard to your lack of comprehension regarding the current use of numerical values (post 1974 in the UK). Don’t be embarrassed by your rudimentary error though! Adult (you are an adult aren’t you?) numeracy and literacy skills are taken very seriously in this country, and I strongly advise you to seek guidance from Learning and Teaching Scotland (http://www.ltscotland.org.uk/) who will be able to suggest appropriate learning opportunities for you. Happy counting!
Holden Caulfield
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Glasgow has had the Garden Festival leading on to Pacific Quay, Edinburgh has had Holyrood, Dundee has had the Discovery Project do you not think it is Aberdeens turn for something? Probably long overdue.
Sandy Milne
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Sandy, Aberdeen is no doubt well overdue something very special. That's why so many folk were excited by the Peacock Contemporary Art Centre, not just folk in Aberdeen but throughout Scotland. What a shame it has been thrown out because of one man's egotistical vision.
Alasdair Johnston
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No doubt the same points are being ventilated over and over again. However, it is worth dwelling on the number of considerable achievements that have been wrought by singular visions, egotistical or not. Whether or not anything comes out of it, Aberdeen will have benfited from the serious self-examination over the past few months and escape the deadening drift of recent years.
Jock Willam
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PEOPLE POWER!!!
Graham Slater
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Sandy, Aberdeen is long overdue something world class. Unfortunately, we had a chance to start on it(PVA), and it was scuppered. Option two in the study does not suggest the logical plan of covering road and rail and saving the gardens. It details destroying the gardens, creating a car park and top level, but NOT covering up all of the road and rail. Why they bothered with this is anyone’s guess. MY guess is that an option covering the road and rail and leaving the gardens would have appealed to many people, but apparently not Sir Ian, and without his money, it wouldn’t have got anywhere. If we want to make Aberdeen a more appealing city there are plenty of locations that could be used for a central venue, there are plenty of ways that the ‘city centre’ area could be expanded and joined up to other parts of the city, and there are plenty of areas that really need some investment to improve them. None of them are the city centre gardens.
Michael Hodgson
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