labour accuses SNP minister of ‘fundamental dishonesty’

Swinney is blamed for Scotland’s tax debacle

By Cameron Brooks

Published: 23/11/2010

John Swinney was accused of trying to create a “smokescreen” last night after claiming it was Westminster and not the SNP which needed to answer key questions about Holyrood’s tax powers.

Opposition MSPs rounded on the finance minister, who faces having to explain how the government lost the 3p Scottish Variable Rate (SVR) which was backed by 1.5million voters in a referendum.

Labour accused him of misleading parliament and being “fundamentally dishonest” in last week’s budget statement. The Liberal Democrats said the Scottish Government was “spinning madly” to shift the spotlight away from its “gross incompetence”.

The Tories said “no amount of smoke and mirrors” could hide Mr Swinney and First Minister Alex Salmond’s culpability. Mr Swinney claimed “key questions” would have to be answered by the UK Government before he could explain himself to MSPs.

He insists he needs details of costs for further tax-raising powers proposed by the Calman Commission on devolu-tion, which are due to be set out in a Scotland Bill. He said only then can he tell MSPs why the SVR, letting minis-ters raise or lower income tax by up to 3p in the pound, was allowed to lapse in 2007.

The Scottish Government told UK ministers in August it would not pay HM Revenue and Customs £7million to work on systems necessary to allow SVR to be used after May’s election. Any incoming administration will now not be able to use the power until 2013-14 – a year before it is replaced by a 10p-in-the-pound tax power under the Calman proposals.

Mr Swinney told Scotland Secretary Michael Moore he rejected claims that the costs of devolution should be met by Scotland, pointing to a Treasury document which said Westminster should pay.

“Therefore, prior to making my statement, I will need answers to these key questions, which you must be in a position to answer given the proximity of the Scotland Bill publication. How much does the UK Government expect Scotland to pay for the operation of the Calman tax powers, when do you expect Scotland to pay, and exactly when will the powers you propose be in place?” said Mr Swinney.

Labour’s constitutional affairs spokeswoman Pauline McNeill has written to Mr Salmond asking him to investigate if Mr Swinney had breached the ministerial code of conduct and misled parliament. She said: “This is a blatant attempt by John Swinney to create a smok-escreen to divert attention away from the fact that he misled parliament.

“Calman didn’t even exist when the SNP government first failed to pay the annual fee in 2007. In his budget statement last week, it was fundamentally dishonest for Mr Swinney to say the Scottish Government had explored options using the SVR when this option no longer existed.

“We need to know which other members of the cabinet were aware of the decision, why the administration chose to keep it a secret from parliament, and what else the SNP is hiding.”

Lib Dem finance spokes-man Jeremy Purvis said: “The latest attempts to def-end the removal of the constitutional powers of the parliament raised more questions over the SNP government’s competence and honesty than answers. They took the decision to cancel a tax power voted through by over one-and-a-half million Scots. The SNP are spinning madly to shift the attention away from their gross incompetence.”

Tory finance spokesman Derek Brownlee said: “John Swinney, Alex Salmond and the SNP have serious questions to answer. No amount of ministerial smoke and mirrors can hide their culpability.

“The SNP effectively neutered Holyrood’s tax powers. The SNP has tied the hands of the next Scottish government. Is this the real reason the SNP dropped its local tax plans?”

Green co-leader Patrick Harvie said: “It’s clear that SNP ministers knew they were letting the tax-varying power lapse in 2007, and that they were keeping the Scottish people in the dark.”

A Scotland Office spok-esman said: “The forthcoming Scotland Bill has nothing to do with a decision by the Scottish Government to remove Holyrood’s SVR power. They are two very different things. The SVR power was available to MSPs and now it isn’t. It can be used again in 2013 at earliest.”

Reader's Comments

Scotland has not lost the ability to raise tax that is still there. HMRC say they are not capable of collecting the tax so it is wrong to imply that tax raising powers have been lost,that would require a change in the law. This is yet another nonsense story,similar to Alex Salmonds 16 speech writers or the dossier that didn't exist if this was such a big problem why has it taken until now for a Scottish secretary to raise this as an issue when we have just been through a brusing general election. The P and J is just the same as those central belt newspapers who are campaigning desperately to get the Labour party returned to power in May.By all means criticise the government but this is becoming a farce with almost every media organisation lined up against the Scottish government on every issue.
Danny Reid
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So Anne - you'll vote for a party that will privatise Scottish Water and sell it off to some foreign company will you. Don't ask which one is that? All three of the unionist parties are out to take SW out of public ownership to ensure Scotland doesn't have access to that resource. It's just like oil and gas all over again.
Wee Scamp
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For those interested in weighing up both sides of the story, the Scottish Government's response to the Scottish Office is available at scotland.gov.uk
Graham McBain
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For those interested in weighing up both sides of the story, the Scottish Government's response to the Scottish Office is available at scotland.gov.uk
Graham McBain
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What a furore about nothing. Why pay millions to have the potential, at some future time, to do something that you're highly unlikely to do. Compared to the money wasted on trident, this is a storm in a teacup. If and when the Calman Commission are implemented, then, and only then, is the time to re-activate this matter. The power still exists, just not the facility to implement it.
Ron Campbell
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Anne since your not that bright and in need of some guidance, please read the whole story: The latest unionist hit-and-run attack on the SNP government will have alarming financial consequences for Scotland. At issue is Scottish Secretary Michael Moore’s assertion that the Scottish government have surrendered Holyrood’s income tax powers known as the Scottish Variable Rate (SVR). According to Moore the reason why these powers have been relinquished is because the SNP government failed to pay maintenance bills to Westminster for the system which would deliver it. It has never been used and because of the Calman proposals being adopted will shortly be superseded anyway. The basics of the story is that HMRC (Her Majesty’s Revenues and Customs) in London needs to upgrade the computer system and so the Scottish Parliament will lose the ability to use this tax for a year. London realises this would be a damaging story and so Michael Moore decided to concoct a narrative about how it’s all the SNP’s fault. Moore’s story which is being seized on by the mainstream media in Scotland is based on the idea that these powers have been allowed to lapse because of the SNP’s unwillingness to pay bills for the system’s upkeep. What is the evidence for this? None. The powers have not been lost. The Secretary of State for Scotland just made it up. It’s all baloney but that’s no impediment to Scotland’s intrepid media. Scotland’s mainstream unionist media is frothing at the bit over a story which anyone with two neurons to rub together would see is made up. Iain Gray is in full indignation mode and leading the stampede. Unionist minded journalists like Tom Gordon at The Herald are speculating over John Swinney’s future and there are calls for an emergency Ministerial statement and committee enquiries in the Scottish Parliament. Moore knew full well that his spin would set off Labour’s leader in Scotland and his party’s media cohorts. In kicking up all the dust, as they do, Labour will protect HMRC. Gray has his uses. As this pack of political and media hounds gets excited over the prospect of being fed, Iain Gray has unwittingly trapped himself. According to the Treasury the Department which effects change to any governmental system should pay for it. If, as the howling unionist pack claim, the Scottish government should pay the HMRC because of Scotland’s separate system then that will mean the same across all other departments. Departments/agencies which could seize on this HMRC precedent include * The Office of Manpower Economics * Department of Transport * Ministry of Defence * Department of Media, Culture and Sport * Asylum and Immigration Tribunals * Department of Work and Pensions * Department for Business Enterprise & Regulatory Reform * Social Security and Child Support Commissioners * Department of Health * Home Office * Office of Communications * Office of Rail Regulation * Office of Commissioner of Public Appointments The list goes on. Given that, in this particular instance, the amount at issue is £15 million, it is not unreasonable to assess that a Gray government would pay hundreds of millions of pounds to London that his government needn’t pay. (The same problem will affect Wales and Northern Ireland) To pay those bills will mean a massive cut in public services and an increase in unemployment as teachers, nurses and others join the dole queue. What Iain Gray must then detail is exactly where will he make the cuts necessary to pay the bills Scotland need not pay but Iain Gray insists should. By rejecting economic independence the unionist parties are already sending the surplus in Scotland's national account to London. On top of that Scotland must endure austerity cuts to pay for Britain's deficits - a legacy from the last Labour government. Now Labour is proposing that Scotland assumes more unnecessary costs. That is the box that Michael Moore has now put Gray in. It is a story of London control, irresponsible and naive opposition and media complicity. As the Holyrood elections draw nearer one of Labour's campaign lines will be that the SNP is fixated with the constitution at the expense of jobs and the economy. Yet here they are risking hundreds of millions of pounds simply because they want to pretend that the SNP have ceded constitutional powers which haven't actually been ceded. The animal urge to get an SNP scalp has driven political discourse in Scotland to the point of absurdity and the abuse of our national parliament, in the pursuit of party interests, is nothing short of constitutional vandalism. Scotland’s parliament was hard-fought for and the nation deserves better. READ MORE - The ‘tartan tax’ – who is misleading who? //newsnetscotland.com/politics/1034-gray-and-moore-call-for-westminster-double-whammy-for-scotland
alan reid
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Wee Scamp, I fear Anne is the usual "my father voted Labour, and i've always voted Labour, cos it's the party of the working classes" mind set. If that is the case, then there's NO hope.
alan reid
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The Unionists are killing Scotland.
alan reid
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For those interested in weighing up both sides of the story, the Scottish Government's response to the Scottish Office is available at scotland.gov.uk
Graham McBain
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Thanks for taking time to explain the matter in great detail Alan. Factual and truthfull. You'd never make a politian.
Ron Campbell
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Cameron Brooks & anominous, Read Alan Reid's post, take the tablets , and go and lie down in a darkened room, you are both obviously in need of some therapy!!!
JAMES MURRAY
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The comment of Scottish Water being sold outwith the country, the fact that 2/3rds of British companies are owned by foreign companies. See that they are still here and employing plenty of people. The fact that the SNP supporters will blame every other party but will not look at their own, is rather telling. Just what makes you say that all other parties are wrong and only the SNP are right. So far they have been rather backward in coming forward with facts. As for being bright, the only shining light here is one of Salmonds 16 speech writers, Alan must be looking for a new job, his fanatical support seems to be blinding him to the facts, that not all if many Scots believe in the Salmond, Swinney, Sturegeon and MacAskill club. It is easy for anyone to find some support on the internet to support any party, just depends which one you want. Certainly not the single minded SNP who have done some good, not point in denying that, but not enough, with too many excuses for not fulfilling their manifesto. Oh yes of course, that is not there fault, it must be someones elses. Seems that is their battle cry. "It wisnae me".
minnie mo
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Thanks for being so gracious and admitting the SNP "have done somme good", minnie. But which party ever fullfills it's maifesto pledges in full? We could have been rid of the Council Tax (an SNP manifsto pledge)if it hadn't been for the unionist parties and that would have been one mighty step toward a fairer society in Scotland.
Ron Campbell
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So what would the council tax be replaced with. More taxes. A step to a fairer society, sounds a bit like the Tory speeches. Everything is fair, yes for some. Explain what would pay for the amenities (of which we have very few here) perhaps caused by the lack of council tax. How much would the ordinary people have to pay to cover costs to the council. We all have to pay txes one way or another. As far as I can see, our council has gone even further down hill with the inclusion of the SNP.
minnie mo
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Minnie, I'm talking about fairness. For example: if you have three neighbouring, identical, households, one earning £15g, one £30g and the third £45g, they all pay the same Council Tax. Is that fair? The abolistion of the Council Tax is a must. Only tax based on income can be construed as fair and equitable. or would you disagree minnie?
Ron Campbell
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No Ron I agree that that tax would probably be fairer, but can it be implemented, how many people will lie about their finances. There are many ways to cheat, and get off with things, who will regulate it and keep it honest and above board. Does this take in one wage or two, does in include any children working and staying at home. any questions to answer and it will all cost loads to set up. Fairer yes, achievable that is debatable. As for the voting system, I agree it is right, I was referring to the fiasco of both the local and general votes at the same time. That did confuse many people, and there were many spoilt votes because of it. That was what I referred to about the last general election.
minnie mo
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Well minnie, the vast majority of us pay income tax through the PAYE system. I don't see any reason why a local income tax could not be collected similairly, with those living on unearned income submitting tax returns annually, as in national taxation. Everyone earning above the tax threshold would pay thereby reducing the amount paid at present by individuals as many more would be contributing. With the Council Tax, you can pay nothing by simply declaring yourself to be resident in a household with two, or more residents. The scam of declaring yourself to be a single person household, when, in fact, there are mutiple occupants, would also be done away with. Nobody likes paying tax minnie, but if it's fair and equitable, at least it's less painfull. Got to go for now minnie. Nice to have a sensible discussion with you.
Ron Campbell
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Annie And the alternative is...........Iain (The Statesman)Gray! We don't even know his policies and what he intends to do if, as you wish Annie, he becomes First Minister. Will Council Tax go up? By how much? Scottish Labour exist at the moment, as Gray stated in Holyrood, to ask questions, not to answer them. So far, he has given no indication of his "masterplan" to save us from recession. Apparently, he's keeping his world economy saving ideas up his sleeve until he wins the election. Until then, we all worry about our futures. Gray plan is actually to serve his lord and master, Ed Milliband, rather than Scotland. This is YOUR alternative. If you want to see this "statesman" at his worst, as I don't think you actually know who he is Annie, just type his name in You Tube - Iain Gray.
Martin Moir
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Just to clarify this is the same Scottish Numpty Party that last year were boasting of being on course to send 20 (twenty) MP'S to Westminister they ended up with 6(six). The SNP are no more than a vehicle for protest votes.
Anne Onimas
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Anne Onimas. Perhaps you should change your name to Anne Ominous as your views are indeed ominous. You certaily are not Anne Unanimous in this discussion.
Martin Moir
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Peter Wilson
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Good to see the SNP comments are attacking others opinions again....nothing changes. Alan Reid - easy to slate a woman on the net saying she isnt too bright..... As for Ron....why should an higher earner pay more for the same service as a lower earner. If an individual has put in extra effort to either train or work their way up the ladder to earn an income of 40k, why should they pay more council tax than someone that has decided to sit on their backsides and do nothing.......The ones on the backsides probably use more services as well. Although personnally I would like to see an income based tax, I think that major changes in the social state/welfare benefits need to happen first......Its too easy to sit on your backside with your hand out......
Richard Hall
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Dont take offence alan....the sit on your backside wasnt directed at you.....nor you Ron
Richard Hall
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I read that Milliband has humiliated Gray and his 'team' by taking control of Labours campaign for the Scottish elections. Poor Gray is to be kept on the London leash. I am not entirely unsympathetic to Milliband and his assessment of the capabilities of the Gray team. but it does raise the question, if they unqualified to run an election campaign are they competent to govern the nation.
Michty Me
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"London leash" nothing like a few racist remarks to dog whistle the SNP vote. You should hang your head in shame racist politics has no place in our society.
Anne Onimas
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What's with this constant Selling National Pride party references to London 'this' and London 'that'. We don't refer to the Scottish Parliament as the Edinburgh Parliament. Nor do that shabby little lot of pretendy bravehearts point their fingers at the financial sector in Edinburgh for their signifcant contribution to the country's financial woes. Indeed Alexis was championing RBS as a model Scottish company when it was in its pomp. And being a good little ex-employee said not a dickie bird during the disasterous ABN takeover. Selling National Pride double standards all the way.
harvey freshwater
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Racist my ar*e. London headquarters have sidelined, marginalised, replaced the woodentops, not because they are anti Scottish racists, but because of a paucity of talent and ability, an estimation with which the Scots voters will concur at next years election.
Michty Me
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Feeble effort harvey, You know fine well, or you are a clot, that financial and banking regulation are reserved matters, exclusively the business of the London Government. And did they just not make fine mess of things. After that big mess up, down in London town, we dinna want a Labour sotter here.
Michty Me
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@mighty me. "Scotland free by 93" "we will get 20 MPS" your party is racist and full of liars. Labour went into the general election with a prime minister from Fife and a chancellor from Edinburgh yet you still liked to use the term "London based". Your time is up your one man band party can start packing.
Anne Onimas
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At the election Anne we won't be asked to vote for proven failures, like Brown or Darling, but for nonentities. Opinion polls have recorded that only 10% of the voters know who Gray is and the rest of the Labour 'team' do not even register. They are, in dictionary definition, nonentities. Government is a serious business, the Scottish budget is, £30 billion, there are important departments of state to be headed, can we surrender this to people who do possess the qualities required to do the job.
Michty Me
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As if Alexis would have kept financial markets in check when everything was hunky dory. Dream on Michty. By the way what IS this rot about a London Government you and your "popular" Leader seem so keen on referring to. Smacks of deep resentment and parochialism and does the case for independence no good at all and is in fact rather embarrasing.
harvey freshwater
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A lot of claims here of how many will vote for the SNP, well we will have to wait, but maybe they should not be counting their chickens so soon. After all many many folk think that Salmond is an arrogant power hungry single minded person, who will promise the moon knowing full well he cannot give it. He is excellent at posturing, expounding his beliefs and in general being a big bag of hot air. So maybe people do not know personally their political party representatives, but know they will not be voting for the wind bag.
minnie mo
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I desire the governance of Scotland to be in the hands of those who will serve the people and be loyal to their interests, rather than those subservient to external allegiance.
Michty Me
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Free by 93, ha, ha... what a poor slogan, now here's a real one, Saddam has Weapons of mass Destruction.
Tam Glen
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What about, We'll be in and out of Afghanistan without a shot being fired.
Tam Glen
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Or even, the defence budget went up year on year.
Tam Glen
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No one died because of the Free by 93 slogan, countless thousand have died,with more every day, thanks to Liebours lies.
Tam Glen
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Aye minnie, and Labour are silent because they hae nothing tae blaa aboot. No policies or plans, no ideas, no vision, nothing about what they would do if ever again in government. Probably waiting to be told what to think by Milliband and HQ.
Michty Me
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Why did the Labour Party abolish the 10p tax rate for the less well off? Working Class party my Arss.
Tam Glen
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And harvey, I will continue to refer to the regime as the London Government unless it relocates to, er, ehm, perhaps Luton and I will then refer to it as the Luton Government. Or how does, London Regime, sound to you.
Michty Me
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Here's a slogan for next year, Vote Liebour and " GET YOUR COUNCIL TAX UP "
Tam Glen
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I would have no problem paying a higher rate of council tax if it meant better services however the thought of giving more money to ACC fills me with dread plenty SNP cllrs wasting money on ACC. I have no idea who to vote for next year I have always voted conservative however Cllr Farquarson has used the term faggot to describe a fellow cllr so I can no longer vote conservative. I wont vote for Salmonds one man band collection of racists. My vote will go Labour or Lib-dem or green or UKIP it will be used thats for sure but how I will cast it I still dont know.
Anne Onimas
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Labour put the Council Tax up by a staggering 60% when last in power at Holyrood, vote Labour and " GET YOUR COUNCIL TAX UP "
Tam Glen
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A thing about the council tax is that is not very progressive. Its regressive nature can be illustrated. Someone with an annual income of say £15,000, may have to pay the same tax as those two characters, beloved by some of the inhabitants of this blog, Sir I Wood and S Milne.
Michty Me
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Well Georgy Foulkes releases his attack dogs... He should choose better but ough when you've had a wee dram some of the above contributors shows you what can happen. The Gray man seems intelligent compared to some of the above. Surely a windup by the Press and Journal... The only political party and the best we have is the Mr Alex Salmond led SNP.. No doubt
David Morland
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Well Georgy Foulkes releases his attack dogs... He should choose better but ough when you've had a wee dram some of the above contributors shows you what can happen. The Gray man seems intelligent compared to some of the above. Surely a windup by the Press and Journal... The only political party and the best we have is the Mr Alex Salmond led SNP.. No doubt
David Morland
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So Anne's vote may go to the Brussels hating UKIP, oh, sounds a wee bit racist that.
Michty Me
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SAVE UTG FROM SIR IAN WOOD'S BULLDOZERS - VOTE HOLYROOD LABOUR
Shergar Nineteensentysevn
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SAVE UTG FROM SIR IAN WOOD'S BULLDOZERS - VOTE INDEPENDENT FOR ACC IN 2012
Shergar Nineteensentysevn
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Shergar, not back here. You are compromised. Discredited Sir by the alacrity with which you moved to agree and accommodate yourself with the protesters who are simply sore that Wood has frustrated their own destructive vision for the Gardens. Compromised, but that will make you a fine politician.
Michty Me
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Annie Ominas "The modern definition of 'racist' is someone who is winning an argument with a liberal." Peter Brimelow. To me Michty Me is the winner here.
Sandy Milne
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Michty, it doesn't seem so long ago that our 'stop Wood's bulldozers' pathways were similar. We seemed to diverge as I began to realise that Alex Salmond was behind the ALMOST inexplicable volte face of thon Cormie boy standing up to second the motion of the partisan, spineless and craven Lord Provost Peter Stephen (just as well he wasn't at Red Harlaw) to destroy Aberdeen's city-centre parklands which any other major city would die for. The situation was further exacerbated by Alex Salond's apparently dubious engagings with Dr Trump who seems suspiciously confident that he can get away with assailing and evicting the 80-year-old Molly Forbes. I now hold the view that the SNP in Scotland must reform under an electorally-chastened Nicola Sturgeon, John Swinney and Mike Russell, once Alex Salmond is out of the way, when SNP local councillors can be guided back onto a virtuous and democratically-robust, electorate-aware path. It is my hope that you could play a part in all of this by seeking election as an Independent/SNP leaning ACC councillor in 2012. Those of us who gave Alex Salmond our Holyrood vote are just waiting for him to announce a public holiday upon the union of the Etonian royal prince with his Marlborough alumna, just as the celtic ark is sinking beneath the financial waves.
Shergar Nineteensentysevn
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Shergar you are an apostate, a devious trimmer. Its "all bulldozers welcome except Woods" it seems. Perhaps your admiration for Mr Koots will permit his bulldozers loose in the Gardens.
Michty Me
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2012:- Local bunch of regressive fanatics succeed in preserving Union Terrace Gardens. ACC decide to pedestrianise Union Street diverting traffic volumes to Denburn dual carriageway. Union Terrace Gardens voted most noxious and polluted sink hole in Europe all greenery killed off by traffic fumes. Graham Slater believes he is Superman and decides to fly off Union Bridge only to find he gets splatted under a number 13 bus. What a wonderful world:-)
Sandy Milne
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DENBURN ROAD AND RAILWAY FOR CONTEMPORARY GRANITE ENCLOSURE - WORLD FAMOUS UTG TO BE EXTENDED - TAQA OIL FUNDING ANNOUNCEMENT EXPECTED SOON
Shergar Nineteensentysevn
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Shergar you are an apostate, a devious trimmer. "all bulldozers welcome in the gardens except woods" is that it. Can I enquire if you have proceeded with your stated wish to involve Mr Koots in the Gardens? Have you spoken with the man? Will his bulldozers be welcome.
Michty Me
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Michty, Michty. I was against the Peacock building in UTG. I want to see the Victorian gardens preserved and enhanced with some TLC and better access. Big Oil could surely put their hands in their pockets and give us a granite extension to the outstanding, world-class city-centre green space which is UTG. NO bulldozers required for any of this!
Shergar Nineteensentysevn
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Shergar, is this the manifesto. Council finances will saved - Arab Ile Co to drill in the Gardens.
Michty Me
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Local fantasist advocates granite clad, steel and concrete structure assumes Emir from Abu Dhabi will dip into pocket in his thobe to pay for it. Sells off City to Middle East Emirate. Aye right.
Sandy Milne
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Good God man, when in the past 40 years, did Big Oil, ever put their hand in their pooch, big time.
Michty Me
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Graham/Shergar (_?_).
Sandy Milne
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DEESIDE MINERAL WATER COMPANY TO SUPPLY EMIRATE VIA PIPELINE FROM DENBURN
Shergar Nineteensentysevn
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Michty, got to go. See if you can find out if The Casuist asked any questions at Tillydrone in person, under his name, from the list given to him by an Albyn Place PR firm, will you? I asked the rented-boy yesterday but got no answer.
Shergar Nineteensentysevn
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STOP THE ABERDEEN ASSET-STRIPPERS - VOTE HOLYROOD LABOUR
Shergar Nineteensentysevn
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STOP THE ABERDEEN ASSET-STRIPPERS - VOTE INDEPENDENT FOR ACC 2012
Shergar Nineteensentysevn
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Aye, that would be the Labour that stripped Aberdeen of its wealth and the Ile.
Michty Me
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Aye the Tories under Thatcher raided it for unemployment and Labour under Brown for giveaways for the idle.
Sandy Milne
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The SNP are a wolf in sheeps clothing, I will be voting them out as will the rest of Scotland.
Alistair Cowie
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Cowie and the Unionist bunch are what? Honest, competent? I guess you'll be trilled that our very own Nicol Stephen, is now going to become a Lord? Yeas another pig swiiler, who will be on tax free expenses for life! Did you vote him in too the house of pigs? I seem to remember him saying he would block the referendum because quote "I will not let independence in by the back door" So being such a Liberal DEMOCRATE, he thought it was just fine to deny the Scottish people their say. He's just another Unionist s c u m bag on the take.
alan reid
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