tycoon tells critic: ‘I knowsite far better than you’
Trump and Ford clash on day one of inquiry
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US tycoon Donald Trump yesterday clashed with the outspoken councillor who almost sank his £1billion plans for a golf resort.
It came at the end of a four-hour grilling on day one of the long-awaited local public inquiry when Martin Ford accused him of showing “little understanding” of certain details of his application.
And Mr Trump responded by saying: “No one has ever told me I don’t know how to buy property before.”
But the tycoon refused to budge from his corner and confidently reiterated his belief that the course must be built on protected sand dunes to ensure it is the best in the world – and that it must be funded by building homes on land next to the resort.
Mr Trump plans two golf courses, a 450-bedroom hotel, 950 holiday homes and 500 houses on links north of Aberdeen at Menie Estate.
Part of the course would be on sand dunes designated as a Site of Special Scientific Interest (SSSI), which has angered environmental groups.
After an introduction yesterday by Scottish Government reporter James McCulloch, Mr Trump stepped forward and faced questions throughout the day from environmentalists.
Lib Dem councillor Mr Ford told the billionaire he was “a bit surprised” that seemed unsure the dunes were designated as SSSI when he bought the land.
Mr Trump insisted he knew “every inch of the site”.
“I know the site, for example, far better than you do,” he said.
“Details come later, you don’t say, ‘Let me spend a couple of years studying it’ – it doesn’t work that way.”
Responding to questions from David Tyldesley, of the RSPB, Mr Trump was forced to admit he had not read several of the environmental statements submitted on his behalf to inquiry officials – while claiming he was an environmentalist at heart.
Mr Tyldesley also accused Mr Trump of claiming he would create the world’s greatest golf course to justify building it on environmentally sensitive land – a claim he vehemently denied.
When Dave Morris of the Ramblers’ Association quizzed him on the legal rights of the non-paying members of the public to walk on his course, Mr Trump demonstrated a misunderstanding of the law, passed by Scottish ministers in 2003.
The tycoon, who spoke for around four hours, said he did not know how many people walk the site but he never saw people there and it seemed “pretty desolate”.
He added: “Before, no one knew what it was. Now they are saying ‘Menie, it’s the greatest’.”
Mr Trump repeatedly insisted his development would help protect the dunes.
And he said his decision on when to build houses would depend on global market conditions – but insisted there would be no development without the houses.
During further questioning, Mr Trump claimed his development would serve to “improve on nature”, and described the current condition of the land as “a killing field” for wildlife and a dumping ground for rubbish.
Later at a press conference, Mr Trump said the questions from his opponents “weren’t very good” but he “really enjoyed” the experience.
“The questions were fair, the answers were 100%, everyone’s saying we really knocked it out of the box,” he maintained.
“I listened to the questions from the few opponents we had, and honestly, the questions weren’t very good.
“Right now we would be 75% complete. It is unfortunate, but often I find great things take more time.”
The application went before Aberdeenshire Council’s infrastructure services committee in November, and former chairman Mr Ford used his casting vote to knock back the proposals despite recommendations for approval by planning officials.
It was then called in by the Scottish Government.
The inquiry is set to continue at the Aberdeen Conference and Exhibition Centre until July 4.
The reporter will advise ministers – but the ultimate decision rests with Finance Secretary John Swinney.













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I was at the AECC yesterday for Trump's grilling over the Menie Dunes golf course, and far from there being 3 protestors there were many. But instead of having an expensive banner made, we protested by our presence. Donald Trump was obviously very badly informed by his advisors, either that or not informed at all, as his replies to questions posed to him made apparent. He repeatedly stated "I'm gonna build the best golf course in the world!" ... who says, Donald? We already have that in St Andrews, within a town with all the infrastructure, tourist accommodation, and other entertainment that is required for a huge influx of visitors. He wouldn't be able to hold the Open here with the threat of the haar in the summer! And as for the 'Meanie Doons' as he repeatedly called them, they cannot be stabilised as they move northwards between 5m and 15m a year; they cannot disappear without his help as they are fed with sand from the south, they can only be ruined by thousands of golfers and tourists tramping all over them and golf features being built. This is not the place for this development, it is a precious wild resource that many tourists already come to visit. Scotland is known for its beautiful scenery and clean environment - visitors do not want to see the razzamatazz of a Trump resort, they will go to Florida for that!
Sue Edwards
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You cannot have it both ways Sue Edwards, you are saying ruined by 1000s of golfers and tourists trampling all over them but its okay for the many tourists who are doing it now??? Where do you get clean environment from, take a look around.He shouldn't build a golf course here because there is one at St Andrews?? How do you know what visitors want, people who visit me refuse to go to Balmedie when I suggest it, reason given "too bl**dy cold and windy", even on the nicest day, what is there to do other than trudge through a sand dune. This is one development I hope the NIMBYS get their collective behinds kicked.
Bill Main
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I was also at The AECC yesterday and struggled to keep a straight face as Donald trump made a fool of himslef on the stand admitting that he had not read several of the most important documents, produced by his own team of experts. Following on from this he made a number of factually innacurate statements about the estate which were blatant and obvious to anyone. All in all it showed he did not care about the facts or the area.
David Milne
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He wouldn't be able to hold the Open with the haar in the summer???? Ha ha ha ha. Ever felt like you are clutching at straws? As for the comments about not having read several of the environmental documents relating to the application, the reason why he has a team of experts working on the application is that they are experts. The reason why it becomes a scandal or embarassing that he hasn't read them is that it is Donald Trump and he's a famous person. If it was a faceless corporation and the MD hadn't read the documents no-one would even blink an eye. The level of hypocrisy and small mindedness amongst the objectors is far more embarassing.
Kris Robertson
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And the argument about St Andrews is completely invalid. The infrastructure of St Andrews is not actually fit to cope with holding an Open at all. The town is too small and it has been growing and evolving to cope with the demands of holding a modern day Open. The reason the Open has been held there for hundreds of years is because it is a world class golf course. Aberdeen has a far superior infrastructure in place to hold an Open than St. Andrews ever will.
Kris Robertson
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Bill Main - funny how the dunes and beach survive the 220,000+ visitors each year who park in the Balmedie Country Park car park (from Trump's own submission). If as you say Balmedie is too cold and windy even on the nicest day, can't see many golfers flying in once the word gets around!
Sue Edwards
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Bill Main and Kris Robertson, you state that we, the objectors and vocal part of the silent majority against this development, cannot have it both ways. Well if you actually read the facts our message is consistent and we are not asking for it both ways. Perhaps you should also tell Donald Trump that as well. After his evidence yesterday when he contradicted himself on numerous occasions and showed considerable disrespect for the Scottish people and our laws it is unlikely he will taken seriously by anyone who actually knows what they are talking about. As for hypocrisy and small mindedness the best examples of this are in the pro camp and have often been well publicised, disguised as fact, by this paper. NIMBYs is a term we ghave become used to, almost always from people who do not know or realise the facts. If this 'Disney Gothic theme park' gets thorugh every SSSI in Scotland will be under threat and all local authorities will no longer be able to control the land use in their area as they have been put in power to do. Do you really want the developers deciding what and where they will build whilst leaving you, the public, to pick up the bill for the infrastructure. Look at the facts and learn the truth.
David Milne
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To all who believe that the proposed development on a piece of under utilised land will spoil the landscape, may I suggest a trip to Cruden Bay, where the dunes, beach, golf courses and homes blend into one another and produce a magnificent setting. Donald trump is not setting up an ugly eyesore but a beautiful golf resort which will bring additional prosperity to the North East. We simply cannot afford to lose this once in a lifetime opportunity.
Derek Forrest
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Derek, this planned development is a housing estate, albeit an expensive one with a guard on the gate and no access to the real people of the NorthEast, but a housing estate none the less with four tower blocks up to eight stories high (same final elevation as those in Seaton) and a sea of badly designed houses crammed in with a token golf course tacked on the side. Please do not be fooled. Accepting this is giving in and giving up on the truly irreplacable land that is Scotland.
David Milne
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To misquote an objector who summed up the Trump situation nicely - "An egomaniac surrounded by sycophants is never wrong".
D Baxter
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To misquote an objector who summed up the Trump situation nicely - "An egomaniac surrounded by sycophants is never wrong".
D Baxter
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I'm from Balmedie and I think these objectors are too blind to see what Trump is trying to do for our economy, employment opportunities and reputation. Martin Ford embarrassed us in front of the world, he doesn't deserve to be in the job he is in at the moment. John Swinney, please give Trump the thumbs up to start building the project.
David Craib
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The whole episode is a national disgrace, from the fact that someone with Mr. Ford's views can be in charge of a infrastructure committee through to the nonsense we now see unfolding at the AECC. The fact that most folk in Aberdeen and surrounding area had never heard of these special dunes or the Menie estate never mind been anywhere near them makes it unbelievable that the area as a whole may be denied the obvious economic benefits of the development by a vocal bunch of twitchers and ramblers who are unrepresentative of the majority.
Scott Milne
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Scott Milne
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D Craib - OUR economy? Donald Trump's more like!! Who will be selling the houses and getting all the income from the golf tourism? Employment opportunities?? Do you want to be a waiter or a golf caddy? Reputation? Scotland's reputation will shoot up in the world when other folk realise we do not bow down to the petulant demands of a spoilt and arrogant thric-bankrupt celebrity. Give me Martin Ford any time!!!!!
Skye Blue
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Sorry ... THRICE bankrupt.
Skye Blue
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Skye Blue - You really are blind. This is a golden opportunity for Aberdeen and shire. Once the oil disappears, how people of Aberdeen survive? by relocating. Theres plenty of sand along the coast of Scotland you numpty objectors can drool over. As for reputation, it has already been tarnished due to Ford and objectors like yourself.
David Craib
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Skye Blue - You really are blind. This is a golden opportunity for Aberdeen and shire. Once the oil disappears, how people of Aberdeen survive? by relocating. Theres plenty of sand along the coast of Scotland you numpty objectors can drool over. As for reputation, it has already been tarnished due to Ford and objectors like yourself.
David Craib
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David - once the oil disappears, no-one will be able to fly to Aberdeen, or heat their luxury homes, or drive about, so one measly golf course (or even two) won't save us all. At least we will all still have somewhere beautiful to cycle to and spend our summer holidays.
Skye Blue
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David Milne - I am not being fooled and am well aware that a significant amount of nice homes will be built on the development, which has ample space for those homes and 2 championship golf courses. Scotland, in the 21st century has plenty room to accommodate a truly world class example of its golfing heritage and retain undeveloped beaches and dunes. I cannot remember Balmedie, Newburgh or Cruden Bay beaches and dunes ever being overcrowded.
Derek Forrest
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The jobs on offer are a joke. When the oil runs out people will already be working in the hotel. So how are the people in the oil industry going to find a job there? The businesses in Ellon are already feeling the strain of poor transport. This will move more business into Aberdeen and off the Peterhead road. Lets face it. The golf course is being financed by building loads of houses. Which proves that it is not going to be a moneyspinner and will be downgraded. If this principle is carried over, the Scottish Parliament have created the idea that you can build houses anywhere you like in scotland if you add a job creation scheme.
john buchan
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Skye Blue: when we left the north east for Africa in 1969 my father said "they will never find oil out there", I guess I put you in the same boat, misinformed and lacking in insight. This opportunity should be grasped with both hands as I don't see and environmentalistic alternatives being presented, i.e. someone with a couple of billion dollars to throw at the sand dunes and create future employment and tourist income. Is it your entire point; that this area be left alone for the few and not shared with the many. Before you fume up and put pen to paper please note, I spent many a blustery and cold "SUMMER" day on the dunes as a child so I know the area exceptionally well.
Tam fae da Islands
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Aye, John Buchan. Dey said da same aboot da fishin.....
Tam fae da Islands
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Aye, John Buchan. Dey said da same aboot da fishin.....
Tam fae da Islands
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John Buchan (any relation?) - what's any of this got to do with the Scottish PARLIAMENT?
Andrew Buchan
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Tam, hardly left alone for the few when Donald Trump's own submission stated that over 220,000 visitors went there last year. As for future employment, why is he building an accommodation block for hundreds if he is planning jobs for locals, and any tourist income will be spent at his golf course and in his hotel. The man has what he thinks the gift of the gab, and that if he keeps repeating it everyone will believe him. I just don't happen to believe him. He is all out for himself. I bet you enjoyed playing in the dunes as a child - well, if he has his way, no other child will be able to, unless holding a golf club and paying him a fortune.
Skye Blue
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I cant believe how short sighted some people are, Martin Ford has made Aberdeen a laughing stock through out the world, I don't think he would last very long on The Apprentice. He's not fit to serve the community. Any other city would jump at this chance. Golfers don't care about the weather if we did we'd be sitting at home everyweek waiting on the sun.
Alan Cameron
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Derek Forrest - I am afraid I do believe you are being fooled the houses you talk of are priced between £500k and £1m, not in the average local price band. A model was made to architectural standards of teh development and it was physically impossible to fir in the 500 houses claimed on the area allocated with a suitable allowance for green space (gardens) around them. So your nice houses are going to be 'shoe horned' in to make the most money. The economic statement has been shown to be laughable and the balance just is not there. There is no value in this development for real people who live and work in this area. The general opinion is one of growing disbelief that this monstrosity is even being considered. The more pople learn of it the more they don't want it. We, the objectors have gone from being a silent majority to being a noe vocal and overwhelming majority. Please, all of you look at the facts. Donald Trump made a fool of himself at the inquiry on Tuesday with a number of admission that showed he did not know what was supposed to be there and some completely ridiculous allegations. I hope we do not have to wait until the area is gated and locked, as he stated he wants it to be, and you casnnot afford to play on the course before you relise how wrong you are and the damage you are doing to the reputation of Scotland.
David Milne
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David Milne - Let us look closely at who is being fooled. People paying £500k - £1m may just spend some money in the local economy. 1500 new homes paying Council Tax should raise around £4,500,000 for Aberdeenshire council. I consider that there is great economic value for the real people who live and work in this area and opinion polls certainly do not reflect your "tree hugger" view that you are in the "overwhelming majority". If you want to see who is damaging the reputation of Scotland, look toward Martin Ford and; in a mirror!
Derek Forrest
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